Hi Guys, I would like to purchase a Used F12 in Europe LHD. I am not fussed as to which country I purchase it from. Spec Grigio Silv/Titan or Rosso Berlinetta or TDF or Pozzi KM's Less that 15,000 Price 200 - 230k Euro Any leads or assistance would be much appreciate. Many thanks
Presumably you are aware of mobile.de ? Gebrauchtwagen und Neuwagen ? Deutschlands größter Fahrzeugmarkt which has quite a choice currently across Europe ?
Thank you. This site is new to me. BTW - In Aus when an F12 or Aventador is advertised for $700K. it is common to negotiate a figure around 10% of this amount. Is this the same for Europe? Should I expect to pay 220K for a 240K ask?
mobile.de ? Gebrauchtwagen und Neuwagen ? Deutschlands größter Fahrzeugmarkt you will find many F12's fitting your search criteria...
European Marketplace for Used Cars and New Cars - AutoScout24 Or just go to the Ferrari website, they have a search engine for used cars as well (only Ferrari dealerships obviously).
Mobile and autoscout24 only show cars within the EU. There is a little country in Europe with many Ferraris. Also check out Switzerland: FERRARI F12 Occasion, Occasionen und Neuwagen - FERRARI F12 Gebrauchtwagen kaufen/verkaufen - AutoScout24
autoscout24.eu only has cars from countries that use the Euro. So neither the UK nor Switzerland. You have to use Auto Occasion Schweiz, Autos kaufen, verkaufen - AutoScout24 to also find the 13 Swiss F12. If I as a German buy a car within the EU I can take the car and drive home. If I buy a car in Switzerland I have to pay 20% VAT when I cross the border from Switzerland to Germany.
There's a grey one (grigio granito) for sale at Tamsen Hamburg. Afaik it's about 220k EUR. Sent from my spaceship via Tapatalk.
Therefore it would be clearly better to have the car registered in Switzerland to save from paying the additional 20%.
That assumes the car costs the same - in theory a Swiss car should cost more due to the original import duty ex-eu - it all depends on where you want to use the car - for export an EU car should be cheapest if you can not pay the vat which applies in Germany - another factor is the current exchange rate for both the CHF & EUR
VAT in Switzerland is 8%, France 20%, Italy 22%, Germany etc etc So why should a Swiss car cost more? Also a Swiss car will have had to pass the stringent Federal controls...so it will be in better condition..
Thank you. I am quite flexible on where the car is to be registered & stored. I am currently assessing the best options to me available and I will make a decision in the coming weeks as to where I will keep it. Ultimately it will be based on cost, security and ease of access for driving. The options include Italy, Switzerland, Germany, Belgium and the UK.
Based on taxes can you guys please confirm the country that charges the least to buy a brand new F12?
In Germany you only pay the amount you agreed upon with the seller. No additional taxes. 19% VAT is always included ("inkl. 19% MwSt."). The three offers I find in mobile range from 285000€ to 33800€. However, you can only register a car in Germany if you have residency in Germany.
Very interesting. I would like to know more about what this involves. How does this affect my insurance?
Do you frequent a country more often so that it would make sense to have a car positioned and waiting for you? If seems like a frequent destination would be the place to keep the car. If you're buying the car just to fly in and drive it, I'd keep it at a dealer near an airport or a friends house. For example Frankfurt Ferrari has an underground garage they store cars on battery for about 100-150 a month IIRC. They're 15 minutes from FRA international airport and arguably one of the easier access airports in Germany from most places in the world. Otherwise a friend or colleague that has garage space and is trusted. Proximity to convenient airport would be a bonus. I live about 140km from Frankfurt and that's about an hours drive for me. Seems I'm there 10 times a month and I wouldn't want to be much further than that. Stable economy, relatively reasonable prices, reasonable insurance and cheap annual taxes along with a rather easy (first world) system to navigate makes Germany a solid solution IMO as long as you can sort out the registration.
Thank you. The short answer is that I or the car would not need to be in one regular place, however I agree that the car should be easily accessible to arrive and then shoot off. Now I just need to sort out the registration for Germany.
To my knowledge red license plates can only be used by dealers or vintage cars. I have never heard of red license plates valid for one year. An explanation of the German system in wikipedia: Vehicle registration plates of Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I had 1 year red plates on my Italia. I'm talking about these https://www.autoplates.com/catalog/view/theme/autoplates/template/static_pages/_info_images/german-Export-plates.jpg http://nondos.com/preise.html
That's an export plate. From wiki: "Export plates (also known as "Ausfuhrkennzeichen", customs plates) are used for exporting vehicles abroad. The plates are the only ones which do not have the blue Euro strip on the left and the owner does not have to be a German resident to register the car. The date on the red strip on the right hand side does not show the expiration date of the plate; instead it shows the expiration date of the vehicle insurance. After this date the vehicle must have left Germany." How did you manage to get the plates more than once?
You can renew them if the TUV is valid. Also German dealers are not suppose to be collecting VAT on vehicles with less then 6000km if it's for export according to EU regulations. So be careful when buying because they will attempt to collect the VAT and getting it back is difficult. You can show them EU law. http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation/vat/consumers/buying_motor_vehicles/index_en.htm
