308 Euro Production Numbers

Hello everyone, I apologize if this has been discussed before but I was wondering if anyone knows the production numbers of the Euro spec versus the U.S. spec 308 (particularly the 83-85 QVs). I have a friend who is feeling out the market for his '83 Euro and I'm just trying to gather a little info. I appreciate the help!

 

For euro cars here in the US?

 

I guess general overall production since a lot of the Euros eventually found their way across the pond. I'm just curious as to how much "Euro spec" adds to the value..

 

Check out the incoming inventory section of Restoration and Performance Motorcars he has a euro 83 gtb listed. I can't get over the prices.....

 

Mark has tracked 130 euro QVs in the US, no idea about the earlier models.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/308-328/433007-euro-qvs-north-america.html

 

Great info! Doesn't look like many made it over here after all..

 

308GTB Total production 2,896. UK 365

308GTS Total Production 3,219 UK 184

308GTBi Total Production 494 UK 42

Mondial 8 Total Production 703 UK 74

308GTSi Total Production 1,743 UK 67

308GTB QV Total Production 748 UK174

Only info I have, no split for US cars

 

This question has been discussed time and time again, and very recently in another tread. It is indeed very difficult, as there are still no definitive answers, and the published figures for each market or each version very often do not add up to match the total production figures for a model.
Published figures should not be taken as carved in stone, unless these can be correlated by a different source (and not by a different person using the same source&#8230.
One should always “remain reasonably” careful when using figures for some of the 308 versions; some figures should be used more as a ballpark.

There remain also a question about what is exactly an euro 308? Are the swiss QVs, for instance, which had different gearing, accounted for into the total "euro QVs?"; or were these "counted" separately (that could explain some of the "non accounted for" QV GTBs...)

For the time being, what can be said is that:
For the 308, the main question remains the carbed GTBs, as the total production is still not known with certainty: the published figures still vary from source to source by plus or minus 100 cars
The most probable total for the 308 GTB, but by no means certain, is 2993, which is obtained by 2185 steel cars and 808 glass cars. -
The figures quoting 2897 (or about this) are probably not exact, being obtained by adding 2185 steel cars with the often quoted “712 glass cars” produced, which we know today is wrong (it came by an incorrect total made by Gerald Roush in an article during the eighties).
Of these 308 GTBs, “about 475” are euros Left Hand Drive glass cars, and “about 1300” are euros LHD steel cars.

On the subject of QVs into which you are interested; some figures were given recently on another thread by a fellow F-Chatter, but the reconciliation with the totals are still “not easy”.
The factory figure for the total GTBs QV built is 748, of which 74 (not 174) were UK RHD (source for the 74 UK RHD is Maranello Concessionaires)
The euro GTBs QV LHD figure is said to be 451, but this seems low, as: 748, less 74 UK RHD, less 451 euros LHD, less “about 75 ??” maximum for the US (probably less) leaves us with “about 150 GTB QVs” not accounted for…(swiss cars, maybe? not considered as "Euros" due to their different gearing?)
The euro GTS LHD figure is said to be 895, of a total of 2809 LHD GTS (plus 233 RHD). 895 euro GTSs QVs seems a tad low to me, but “not impossible”. A large part of the remaining (2809 - 895) 1914 LHD, let's say "about 1600", should be the US GTS QVs.

That’s all I have…for the time being.

Rgds

 

Great info I appreciate it. I guess my definition of "Euro" is any car that didn't have all the BS that the United States required (converters, big bumpers, added structural support etc.) I've always assumed that a Euro car was worth more than a U.S. but just not how much.

 

That's rather a subjective call.

The issue with a Euro car in America or Canada (the correct term for our specification is actually "North America market") is the legal status of it's importation.

IF you have a stack of paperwork, on the Federalization process, modifications for compliance, the status of the Import Bond, posted with the Federal DOT.......then, you have a legal car.
If not, well then they call them Grey Market, for a reason!!

The other thing to know is that lots of parts wil be different, so your repair tech would need to know that or the "wrong stuff" comes in the mail!

It's somewhat more complicated than the "lighter, faster!!" you hear from the sellers.
You really will only miss your door crash beams, when you really need them!

 

In the case of a modern Ferrari like a 360 I would say they are worth "less"....