Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

I tend to agree, it makes 305(ish)kph here at 2:07.
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918 looks stunning from this angle...

 

Can't leave the 918 parked in a strong downpour with those upwards open pipes.

 

Obviously you can. The pipes are pointing downwards.

 

Is that the only 1/4 P1 time you can quote?

It wasn't even done during an official testing (as every one knows and realizes except you). But of course you don't care. LOL

Motor Trend, talked about bringing it in for a full testing. But of course that never happened. You're so hilarious.

Why not quote/mention the original Autocar one (where it took about 22 secs to get 180 mph)? There was also the Top Gear test as well. Why not that one as well? Of course there was another Autocar test (to be fair). The one with Mr. Steve (cough cough) Sutcliffe. You can't keep only quoting one test. SMH/LOL

You don't hear 918 fans only quoting, hanging on to the Road & Track test (which had very good numbers, and was official BTW), and/or the first Road and track test which was unofficial at the Texas Drag strip (similar to the Motor Trend one). Such a one track mind.

The problem is: Not many people have tested and recorded the P1 in high speed acceleration runs or full testing. None American TMK.

 

The Autocar test was done in damp windy conditions and in race mode, not the faster track mode, so it isn't representative. It took 21.4s to get to 190mph. Whilst Autocar do a 2-way average, wind always hinders more than it helps, hence why slower cars like the Noble M600, F1 and CC8S recorded a 0-200mph time on the MIRA track but the P1 never did. On a much worse surface Autocar retested the exact same P1 head-to-head against the exact same 918 at Bruntingthorpe, and it made 0-200mph in 23.2s despite a dire launch for both cars, and a 0-150mph time that took 1s longer than at MIRA. Of course this time didn't allow for roll-out either (Euro measuring system), so basically you're looking at a 0-200mph in comfortably under 22s on a good surface with roll-out.

The MT test was also on a less than perfect greasy surface and it was done in race mode (more drag). I suspect on a good surface in track mode, it will drop a couple of tenths off the 0-60 (perhaps more on Trofeo Rs) and cut a few tenths off the 100-150mph acceleration. The test was as official as the LaF tests at Fiorano, who also didn't do formal testing and haven't allowed any measurements outside of Fiorano to date.

I don't think the P1's acceleration has ever been open to question, even in the MT test on 91 octane the acceleration was superior to the 918 and the P1 has obtained the highest top speed of the three at Vmax events at Bruntingthorpe - 209mph vs 207mph and 204mph for the LaF and 918 respectively.

Here are some shots showing acceleration for Vmax events over a similar intervals for the P1 and LaF, customer cars in both cases. P1 - 7s 149-189mph, 4mph speedo error at 209mph (205mph GPS). LaF - 8s 150-186mph, 6mph speedo error at 213mph (207mph GPS).

P1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGJqQN8ZJds
209mph indicated at radar trap = 205mph actual.
http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a508/sigmafour1/P1speedoacc_zpsxbektjg2.png
LaF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf4TMyB6Amw
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Always excuses.

The MT wasn't an official test either. But that doesn't stop you from using that one. LOL.

As I said; please use either of the Autocar or TG test, or convince McLaren to give it to Sports Auto or some American publication for a full day of acceleration and handling testing.

It appears so silly for you to quote the same one test repeatedly, when they're several others which give a more overall picture (or at least balance).

Keep in mind, if you didn't post and link SO MUCH this would be a non entity, wouldn't care.

 

Did the P1 do a standing start at the beginning of the straight (like LaF did) when it recorded a 209 in Bruntingthorpe?

 

Don't worry, he only quotes/links articles or videos that he agrees, approves of (no matter how dubious or premature).

However, if he doesn't like the result (no matter how fair or legitimate), it doesn't even exist in his eyes. LOL

No one minds him peddling the P1's best results. However, if he had his way, it would be the only results discussed considering some of it's conflicting acceleration/Handling testing and track results. Of course, those only come up when he's responding to someone, explaining why he doesn't like the outcome.

The word "perspective" and "reasoning" are totally lost on our good friend.

 

If a magazine straps on timing gear and tests a car, it counts.

I did use the Autocar test at Bruntingthorpe to demonstrate speed, they always do 2-way runs. You'll note that the 12.1s 150-200mph acceleration is much quicker than the 11s it took them to get from 150-190mph in the exact same car in the previous MIRA test. In the previous MIRA test, the 0-180mph was the same as the far slower (in a straight line) 918 on a different day at MIRA, and in the head-to-head test the P1 was 6.71s quicker 0-200mph on the same day (see attached).

I've explained why I've excluded the MIRA test and my reasoning is pretty sound. The lack of a 0-200mph time at the Autocar MIRA test, when slower cars (M600, F1, CC8S) have recorded one indicates windy conditions affected high speed acceleration, as did the use of race mode as opposed to track mode. The Autocar Bruntingthorpe test made more representative high speed acceleration times but anyone will vouch for the fact that Bruntingthorpe is a bad surface for traction. So the MT test is about the best we have albeit on a 'greasy' surface, at least it's flatter that B'thorpe. The TG test included roll-out time and the 0-60 and 0-100 times were 2.7s and 5.0s respectively, so the times excluding roll-out (American method) would be roughly 2.4s and 4.7s, so that's pretty consistent with the MT test, also 4.7s 0-100mph.

And I've also shown the high speed acceleration of two customer cars in the previous post, can't say fairer than that.
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The LaF has never recorded more than 207mph at Vmax (Bruntingthorpe).

Results | VMAX200

**Same owner as P1.
***M600 0-200mph 29.8s with Autocar.

The 207mph LaF run used the bend, as shown in video in this post above.
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/143859621-post17056.html

The P1 209mph is mentioned in this video (4:15) and they appear to be using the bend too that day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCDO1tptpuo

 

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High,
The conditions when I ran last time were very poor, next month I am going out on my own, drone cam, v-box etc, if its dry I will be gutted if I can not pull the book, 214mph on the beams....

BTW, having had 2hrs in a lafa this week fully agree on your views ref the Anglesey times.....

Don't quote the AC times, unless you know the state of the e-juice on both cars at the time they ran......big difference....

 

it's actually a non-issue. the exhaust pipes are well below and inside that top cover exit (which is angled at a shallow angle, and that tip and exhaust pipe are not attached). water entering the top cover exhaust exit drains into a flow channel in the engine bay. You really need to hold a bucket and dump in the water at just the right angle to make a mess.

a repost but still beautiful...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HHTGCG6geI

 

Your car is?

 

Apolo1 owns a 918 Spyder ....
You can watch his video of Vmax run in GCF (he posts with same nickname)

Luque

 

I don't know why 918 protagonists doubt the Autocar 0-200mph time. The 918 loses 130hp at 165mph and has never gone faster than the Noble M600 at Vmax, which clocked 29.8s 0-200mph with Autocar (29.7s 918).

Noble M600 performance | Autocar

The relative 60-150mph performance between the P1 and 918 was also identical to other tests. Every test has shown the P1 to be massively quicker on acceleration. As for the LaF, it's had several attempts at Vmax now and it had dried up in the afternoon at the last event, as can be seen in video at 3:30-3:47 (918 run at 3:47). The acceleration above 150mph, shown a few here also speaks for itself - http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/143859621-post17056.html.

That said I know you have one of the faster 918s since PB's 918 was 2mph slower even when he ran in the dry at 3:47. Hence why I've previously asked you if you'd ever been to Oakley Design - http://www.worldcarfans.com/114080779341/porsche-918-spyder-tuned-by-oakley-design-to-950-ps-spotted.

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Saw all three yesterday. The LaF looks by far the best. I was first in the camp that it's a very ugly car. Pictures do a terrible job at making the LaF's lines look good two dimensionally. The 918 rear and side profile look amazing. The P1 is ok but for some reason doesn't do it for me. I think it's the weird recessed side door panel thing that messes the lines up.

 

I do know Oakley, but have never used them. My 918 does feel very fast, not only did PB run in the dry, he also ran a less drag wing, like I said to you before, my friend builds the fastest cars at v-max his 997tts were down 6secs form the dry time to 186.....

 

Traction at lower speeds doesn't really affect terminal speeds much because the distance covered at lower speeds is small. Wind is a much more prevalent factor. Your 918 is a little freaky and probably unrepresentative given PB's speed, which is much nearer what I'd expect and what other results infer. I think voltage level variance can have a huge impact 918 power levels and you likely have one that somehow ended up running nearer maximum than nominal.

 

Sorry I was just making the observation about the 0-300 wet weather times. Take your point on zero diff on top speed....

 

Epic video, imv:
http://youtu.be/M68VE61mTyY

 

Not a good time for a kangaroo.

 

How was the Laf? and hows the 918 treating you?

 

Cool video, can't wait to have my 918 WP deliverd.

Mbn