who will be first to surpass senna in race wins? Vettel or hamilton?

^^^^^ LOL love it

Hammer hit nail head!


No reference to hammertime intended

 

Yap, done here...unless of course we can discuss something else..

 

Your point of view is suggestive and narrow minded, therefore irrelevant.

You are back on my ignore list.

 

Subjective, and not suggestive !!

LOL

 

He never left mine......

 

+2 I have now educated myself, don't waste time on time wasters. He has shown no desire to learn and only cites partial truths to support his arguments. Hamilton is certainly one of the best of the current Formula 1 drivers , but comparing him to Senna, Schumacher and Clark that is delusional. Back to the old ignore button, shame on me for taking the obvious troll bait.

 

You Love what..?

 

That's your opinion. He has a different one. You can't call him delusional for that. Particularly when the objectively measurable facts support his opinion.

 

Whoops ..

Yes take Airpetecon's advice, coz if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail...yes that's hammer time...

 

Hammer...humm, didn't that guy show up in iron man...you know, the guy that kept building junk that never worked?

 

Yes junk, I read a lot of that on here

 

Scrap Toil and you will read a lot less

 

BAN 'EM ALL! Let Rob sort it out!

(see what I did there)

 

well of course you'd say that.....you've been known to not let the truth get in the way of a good story.

 

Going to far now....seriously.

 

Again this crap???

 

Vettel all the way.

 

A few people on a semi-anonymous car forum don't warm to you and you liken yourself to a Jew in Auschwitz? Grow up.

You clearly have no understanding of or appreciation for the horrors those persecuted by the Nazis suffered or you would never have drawn such an outrageous comparison. Go read a history book, and again: grow up.

Regards,
Andrew.

 

He could try Alice in wonderland.......should be similar to the world he lives in!!!

 

I hate comparing drivers from different eras. It's funny though how everyone always talks about the old superior drivers. Even the guys that drove as a hobby are better than modern drivers...lol. It reminds me of when Lauda said a monkey can drive a modern F1 car only to embarrass himself when he tried.

What makes you think Clark, Fangio, Senna would be able to sit in a modern F1 car and win a championships? Competition is a lot closer today. Aerodynamics, brakes, telemetry, tires, etc it's a whole different world. The driver in front of you is not going to miss shift. Brakes are so good today that it's very hard to out brake the next guy. Before DRS most drivers were not able to overtake due to the aerodynamics.
So when you look back at Senna overtaking in the 80s/90s maybe you should ask yourself would he able to do that in a 2000-2010 pre DRS car?

The only thing we know for sure is that there was a much bigger risk of death back then. Everything else is just a guess.

 

Yes, yes he would. Those cars back then required more manual input than today's cars. Senna could shift using his opposite hand while having the steering wheel at full lock. Mind you, it was a H-pattern shifter too.

 

Ask modern F1 drivers. They know the differences between a "fast" driver and a "great" driver.

Driving the car beyond the limits and maintaining control en route to winning is what those champions were all about. The fact that they drove cars that were far more difficult only magnifies their abilities, not reduces them. To suggest a modern F1 car would neutralize their abilities is off the mark, imo.

Senna, fwiw, was always cited by other drivers to have an uncanny "bond" with the track...he was able to find speed in spots that they wouldn't even approach. Clark drove the track like clockwork...at full speed you could count on him hitting a corner at the exact same spot, lap after lap. That was in one of the late 60's death traps.

 

+1

I guess to a degree many of us are guilty of wearing the rose tinteds, but neither do some here recognize just how good Ayrton was.

Sure, they're all talented, and most are damn fine jockeys. But not one of them today are yet fit to carry Ayrtons jock IMO. He and Jimmy were quite simply on another planet. Unless you saw them, particularly in the lower formulae, you just don't get it. Ayrton in particular was just beautiful to watch. Even the dumbed down fan base of today would understand if they'd witnessed him at his magical best.

Cheers,
Ian

 

+1...too many current fans think people simply wax nostalgic about the past greats.

Current drivers think differently, of course. They know what greatness looks like.