I had a 599 stick in February 2015 and here is why I don't now!

I agree. I sent the thread to Miller maybe they'll chime in. This guy is off his rocker...

 

"Nothin' personal, just business"
Always is

 

this post is laughable...not the dealers responsibility to tell you the future value of your car...tons of cars sell at auction for ridiculous/unforseen amounts of money all the time..besides, what does he expect Miller to do..."OMG WE'RE SO SORRY, WE WILL IMMEDIATELY WIRE YOU $370,000 TO CORRECT THIS GROSS INJUSTICE"...Miller is one of the biggest/best operations out there...at least have something worthy of complaining about before trying to put a dent in their reputation.

 

You sold your car back BEFORE the auction!

Watch out for a counter sue. Miller in my opinion did nothing wrong and treated you well. They gave you 30k more than you paid. Most would have been quick to sell for the purchase price.

Cant control an auction.

You'll look even worse if the red 599 sells within the expected range.

 

At least the OP has been smart enough not to reappear. No sense playing varsity spear catcher.

 

What's the Italian for caveat emptor?

 

The attorney's who take on these stupid cases remind me of the Jerry Seinfeld episodes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMHsojpGV5o

 

Interesting story.
For once , instead of buyer beware it's
" seller be aware"

Would love the salesman from miller to chime in..
Seems a little underhanded if they knew the car sold a month earlier for 650 +

Kinda like taking candy from a baby!

 

A month later.

 

The OP must not feel too strongly about his chances in court because he saw fit to trash Miller Motorcars on a public forum and web page while carefully redacting his own name. He needs to man up and post his unredacted lawsuit filing if he is so sure he's right.

 

"I just want to make sure no one else ever has to go through what I've been through."

 

Fuhgeddabowditt

 

????????

He sold the car to Miller for a profit and a month afterward, a manual transmission car sold at auction for bigger money. Not sure how in the world you feel that Miller was "underhanded" and "took candy from a baby."

 

Maybe i am reading it wrong
The 599 sold in jan 15' fo 6+
Miller bought his car in feb 30 days later
Let me read his post again

 

Ok my bad
His sold before!

Hmmm
Maybe the auction house is playing the manipulation game

I hope IAG is not in on this ( LOL )

There is no case here
Imagine if the car dropped in price
Would the dealer sue the seller for his money back?

 

I think the 599 stick sold at Amelia in March, not Jan

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong...

 

Hit and run. Just for fun.

 

You are correct, it sold in March Image Unavailable, Please Login

 

I think he's more embarrased about getting duped than about the money.
Mr Stahl runs a successful home renovation business.

 

The auction house played the manipulation game?? Please. I sold a car in that auction a few lots before that 599 went. I know for a fact that they had no idea the car would do that. They asked me extensively what I thought it would go for. They thought it *might* hit $300k. No one saw this coming.

 

Most everyone missed the point from my blog post. Honesty and transparency. Not just the money. Information and forthrightness.

Why I wasn't told about the car previously being dropped for the previous owner - and then making me pay to correct isn't transparent or honest. Especially when I asked for the cats and anything else done not to stock to be correct. They reinstalled the cats and then didn't bother to tell me they lowered the car while I spent a year smashing into driveway curbs. I asked over and over again - Then charged me to correct this?

Not informing me that it was one of 20 brought into the country that year. The premier dealer in the New York City area didn't know that? Really?

Not informing me that they had a car in the same upcoming auction and had to have seen that a similar one to mine was coming up for auction? I have an email from them stating that they had a Dino in the same auction. Not just a spectator!! A participant! So are they claiming that they only selectively read the lot listings? Are you kidding me? They sell and trade cars for a living. They easily could have informed me - as it wasn't too easy for me to find all of this out. Not honest nor transparent.

it's more than being about the money. They are informed business people who preach that they want to take care of their clients - and this is how I was treated?

If I was informed about ANY of these items - and then decided to sell the car and it LATER sold for a billion - that's my problem and no harm, no foul.

But can anyone honestly say that the way they treated a loyal customer isn't reprehensible? Really? Without transparency and honesty. Period. So if I am an idiot for believing that is how business should be done, that people should be fair with their loyal clients.....then I'm ok with the label, idiot.

 

I guess you are referring to the fact that the 599 three pedal sold for 680 or something like that . No one and I mean NO ONE would have been reasonably expected to have known that .. and up to that point 3 pedal 599s had no real increase in value to an F1 .. just in this new world we live in prices are crazy so best to not sell anything as it could be worth double in the next auction.. or maybe buy one of everything just in case they triple next week...that is how far fetched that sale was....IMHO
and I have never been to a dealer that didn't tell me the car I was selling is worth less then what i want and the one I am buying is worth more then I want to pay it is just the way sales work..

 

I disagree with your assertation that somehow it is their duty to ensure you the consumer are fully informed. Had you spent five minutes on this chat room prior to your transaction or simply posed a one sentence question to this wonderfully knowledgable group like "my dealer is offering me X to buy my car back, do you think it's a good deal?" Would have saved you the time and apparent anguish. Retailers assume that adults like us over the age of 18 act with informed consent. You chose to make a significant decision without much due diligence. Luckily in your case you still made a **** ton of money. I think you sir are missing the point. And if this is the worst thing that happens to you this year, you lead a charmed life.

Now I need to be getting back to the observance of a 22 year old friend and former student of mine who was killed by a roadside bomb in 2004. Perhaps you could take the $30k you made (which is more than the annual salary of the average Junior enlisted servicemember whose sacrifice we honor this weekend) and make a donation to the veterans charity of your choice and put the entire matter to bed knowing that you've invested in some good karma for the future and done something noble rather than complaining. Just a thought.

 

I am not suggesting anyone would know anything in the future. I AM suggesting that since they knew the same car was about to go up for auction - that to be transparent to their client and customer of 4 years - they should have said something and be informative. I am suggesting that anything less that full disclosure is not transparent. If I was told that the car was 1 of 20 - I'm not selling it. No matter the price. I am a collector and a trader - so if you as the dealer, soliticed me for a sale on behalf of another client - that isn't transparent. If you are saying "let the buyer or seller beware"?...I am saying that isn't how busines relationships are built or sustained. That's IS how sales are made but they are selling a "relationship". That is what I am suggesting. To suggest that they could know what would transpire in the future would be unrealistic. I believe they should have provided ALL the information they knew when soliciting me on behalf of another client. It's that simple. It's not about being a fortune teller - I agree with that statement