930 Turbo Carrera

Although the photos of S-CH 2838 are B&W, it does appear that it is a Martini decal.
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Additional photos from Automobilia Auktion Ladenburg – B/W press photos of Herbert von Karajan test driving a Porsche 917 short tail that were taken at the same time with 1975 Turbo S-CE 1919.
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Looking at the listing, it states 76 911 with C2 turbo update. Not sure if anybody has checked the vin# to see if it really is a 930.

 

Update on the garden find 3-liter Turbo. 1 of 3, 1977’s produced and for sale…

Porsche 911 Turbo Martini Garden Find

Its 1 of 3 , 3ltr Porsche Martinis Turbos.
Has 2 owners form new, 62k miles and has been owned by the same person since 1978 when it was 18 months old.

It has the dr fuhrman seats, and has been confirmed genuine.
And its up for sale…!
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Joe, I totally agree with you! I've gotten really tired of hearing about skyrocketing values more than the driving experience of the car. I look at cars for sale and the air cooled hype has really turned me off. There are so many people thinking their 911sc is worth $40k and their 3.2 Carrera is worth $50k. The reality is, their cars are just driver quality cars and worth about 1/2 of what they are asking.

Nowdays, if I want another fun car to drive around, I think it will be a water cooled Porsche or a Ferrari. $200k for a 3.0 turbo? Nah, I can get a 348, 355 and a 360 for that price!

 

Joe,

I am not a professional or a collector only a life long Porsche enthusiast. I've owned 3 79 930's, 2 76's and one 77. I don't disagree with your assessment about many poorly represented and over priced 930's listed for sale. Now that values have increased I believe more cars will be correctly (expensively) restored- I know many owners who are currently doing this. I am not sure I understand your prejudice against 930's priced above $150k. I know plenty of knowledgeable collectors who would pay considerably more than $150k for an excellent early 930. I don't see any evidence that 930's are any more or any less absurdly priced than any other collectable car. I've personally felt that 2.7 RS prices are extremely high relative to other early 911's but the market is right and I am wrong, I'll readily admit that.

Phil

 

Joe - vandalism is probably a better term. I had assumed less vandalism for Italian exotics but it says a lot coming from you.

I would disagree on your observation for this particular thread as I don’t see the constant drumbeat focused solely on value. Some postings perhaps, but not from me. On Rennlist and Pelican there seems to be more price discussions. If you think 930 prices are hyped, you should check out the 964/993 Turbo threads on Rennlist where there are lively price discussions and those cars have shot up higher in value than 3-liter Turbos.

Perhaps a perceived bias from me but…I would disagree that there is equity among 3-liter Turbos based on actual sales data. For the 1975 models, the market is so few, there really is not an established value and based on Ryan’s 3-liter Turbo registry, there are less than 50 cars listed. I would not be surprised if less than 100, 1975 Turbos survive worldwide and many of those cars are missing their original engines or otherwise vandalized. They have one-year only 930/50 engines, unique interiors, ~120 lbs lighter in weight than other 3-liter Turbos, and are all homologation Turbos.

 

What means that you value the mentioned Ferraris of higher value than the 930.....

May be you are right, may be not. In fact, also in the 70's the Porsche was always the "underdog"... that is what it makes also special in a certain way.

I really do not know why someone would think that 250k for a 930 (and the fun driving it) wold it find enough interest world wide (including Asians who just enter the market).

Look at the rising number of millionaires and billionaires, for who that kind of money is pocket money (e.g. that Chinese guy who just spent 33 mill. € just for a "party" for his employees)...

As the 930 has become an object on the world market, you better be prepared that prices may not come back again.

So often I have read about the experience, emotions, people have when they drove the 930 once.
Emotions: the same reason, men spend millions on their girls/ ladies

Better be prepared .... ))))))))))

 

cal, lucky for me, I already have my turbos. If I wanted to buy another one, there are so many other options in that price range and lower. Five years ago, a 3.0 930 was a $30k car, while the aforementioned Ferraris were $50k-$90k. Now, a 3.0 930 is a $150k+ car and those Ferraris are $40k-$80k. IMO, the better value is in the Ferrari, or maybe I've had lots of Porsches and need something different.

 

I've thought about buying a Ferrari as well- they look and sound great - just a little too flashy for me. The great thing about MT is very few people even know what a 930 is. The bottom line for me is I don't think I'd spend $150k on any car unless it was already worth $300k.

Phil

 

The 930 (along with the GT3 RS) thread is among my favorite because it focuses on the cars and not on opinions of what the values of the car should or shouldn't be. I think sales comps are important from time to time as a point of reference for those buying and selling, but should not dominate the thread. I appreciate the time that contributors like a Rich and Joe have put into this and others.

 

I agree, let's drive these pigs!
Phil

 

I have. It's not a 930. It's a 77 normal 911 with aftermarket turbo. If it was a factory 76 930 I don't think it would have lasted more than a day or two even here in Australia.

Cheers

Earlysport
1977 930

 

I am a buyer here and my gut tells me (as someone who has traded assets across global markets for half of my life) that we aren't even in the second inning yet. I also believe as they keep going up, more and more eye balls are on these cars and believe it or not, more and more people want them. Higher price equals higher demand. It's counterintuitive and illogical but that's factual human nature.

I don't do this for a living but I would advise anyone who cares to listen to buy now if your considering. The cars are in stronger hands now so any pullback will be shallow (if there even is one). Auction season, the McQueen car, 40th year celebration are all coming. All will push interest, buzz and expand desires already in place. .

A final note: it's sad to see this (now twice) drop back into a valuation thread. Even sadder that it's by someone who I found so incredibly enthusiastic and caring and loving.... A champion of these cars.

 

Well I just gave mine a good workout today.

If you have time to think about what it is worth when you are driving it....

You're on the wrong road.

 

You guys know what, Porsche got it right the first time with the 3.0 turbo.

 

As a fine art dealer by profession who advises and deals in 20th century modern and contemporary masters (with values in the seven and sometimes eight figures). I have seen similar things happen in the art market. Now, more people are aware of the 930 as a car to have. There are very very few quality correct unmolested 3.0 turbos left. What happens now is you have new buyers that are entering the market that look at the cars and value the cars in a different way. I think the few correct ones left will continue to command super strong prices. These week I was offered a '76 930 with 20,000 documented miles for $395,000! I think the rest of the 930 market is obviously strong for the right car, but not as strong for others as some people on the other forums seem to think. I see a lot of molested or subpar 930's go unsold week after week.

 

Today in Melbourne Australia we experienced some beautiful weather. It almost had a feel of early spring. The reality, Winter is around the corner so I connected up the battery, packed the wife and our young kids into my car and set out for a nice long weekend drive.
I've owned my 3.0 Turbo for more than 20 years enjoying it through my single years and now enjoying it with my family. There cannot be many true super cars of the seventies that can provide this type of versatility. Everytime I drive the car I'm reminded of why I can never bring my self to sell it and why Ive owned it for so long. The 3.0 turbo just seems to leave me with a addictive feeling for days after each time I drive it.
What I love about the car:
It's light feeling and revs so freely
It's strange down low torque, that seems to move along yet the engine feels asleep.
That sudden morph into a Ka-pow!! When the boost comes on.
The predictable behaviour
The Un predictable behaviour!
The lushes wide fenders and sleek thin tail
The crackle out the exhaust when you back off the throttle
The historic value of this great grandfather of turbo technology.
Porsche really did get this car right from the beginning

 

Nice words.

 

Rising values just take the fun out of what, for most, is just a hobby. Ignore the values. My cars are dusty because I'm using them!
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March 1976 Porsche 935 press release with a photo of a factory works car still equipped with conventional headlights. An impressive string of 935 world championships ensued all homologated by the production 930 Turbo in FIA Nr. 645, Group 4 (1976/1977 season) and FIA Nr. 3076, Group 3 (1977-1981).

Porsche 935:
1976 World Championship of Makes
1977 World Championship of Makes
1978 World Championship of Makes
1979 World Championship of Makes
1980 World Championship of Makes (tied with Lancia)
1981 World Championship of Makes
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