930 Turbo Carrera

Some on this forum are into 930 as a business to either restore for clients or resale. So doing it for a profit is no crime. Just makes sense to be conservative and to get one at a good price. I got out of the Ferrari, Aston markets and did not keep a few when the prices started to go nuts late 80s into the 90s, not wanting buyers mad when they lost value if the market turned. BIG MISTAKE.

Current post from another site. Just my opinion on properly modded 930's. Porsche themselves are fond of what some have done to the point they even bought the Andial brand. Not to mention others they have found favor with, Kremer GMBH, which comes to mind.

To me, a Porsche, especially the mass produced super car of that time, is about high performance with good driving abilities, comfort and manners. Regulations cut back lots of performance for showroom 930's, but higher performance ( racing ) technology and parts developed by Porsche Motorsports for the 930 were available at that time, to those who knew. Let's face it, some restore or buy for themselves a 930 to preserve for a touch stone. How many originals do we need for that?

However many rail against all that are less than perfect or not absolutely original to get a cheap date. That's good business, taken with a grain of salt, if thinking of selling, however restored to bone stock and/or concours perfect is not what everyone wants. When I get buyers with that goal in mind. my reply is, "I bought it because it is better this way, go buy a stock one, plenty out there". Or," take advantage of me , I also have some great stock ones that I like to drive less".

Sure there are some cobbled together 930's and/or ones that were built from wrecks with body kits, but some were built at great expense from perfect originals by serious Porsche people and shops that knew how to make a stock 930 a much better performer. My 2 cents worth rant to put in the speculation pot.

 

Can anyone give an opinion, I know this may actually be difficult to qualify but I've always wondered.
Q.
Was the 930 3.0 turbo a first production car (for Porsche) to be labelled a super car?
Did the 930 3.0 turbo ever claim fastest accelerating production car 0-100km or 60mph during its production release?

 

All I can say to the garage queens: I took mine to 210 Km/h yesterday on the Autobahn, pulling through 4 gears with that power is just unparalleled.

Praise to the german Autobahn!

 

I read that in 1976 the 930 was the fastest production car in the world.

It was on the internet, so it must be true?

How one qualifies for "Fastest" is still a mystery?

 

That's fantastic, Simon. Our 100 km/hr highways don't give me an opportunity to stretch my 930s legs. I've had her out to Toronto Motorsport park, but the main straight there only let me run her out to 170 km/hr. Hoping this summer to get her on track at Mosport. That track has a much longer straight, should be interesting.

 

I think this thread can tolerate some amount of 'valuation' chatter since(so far) it's been supported by grown-ups! There are however, threads elsewhere hashing out the price-spike phenomena in mind-numbing detail. This pair of comments point to an interesting dynamic that I think is under-acknowledged and germaine to the thread: a full pebble-beach quality restoration is a $300K project for most cars. 930 Turbo Carrera valuations are currently in an awkward twilight zone where it is not proven (as it is for say a long hood RS) that the market will support a $5-600K car. ($250k for a great platform + $250 and two years for the nut and bolt rebuild). The canepa cars are not 95 point cars I'll bet, they are very pretty 'refreshes' with some extemporaneous detailing. The reason I disagree with Joe's forecast is that elsewhere (Aston, ferrari, even E-type may get there) when prices really go meteoric eg $1M+ a price compression occurs among inferior cars where a basket case sells for almost as much as a good driver. (And a hopeless-but-unmolested barn find may be more) Why? Because the total restoration costs about the same regardless of starting point. Unless the TC fails to ascend to grade A collector status, I predict prices of the worst cars will increase (proportionately speaking) the most.

Finally, Jay72 I'd welcome your reaction to observations over on this thread attempting to draw connections between the contemp art market and auto collectibles. Perhaps post in the other thread?

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/143937216-post1211.html

 

Just bought a set of 75/76 set of Porsche Christophorus magazines.
Nice read and pics of the 75 turbo,i think for a very nice price and he has a other set for sale
For sure of intrest for some of this forum readers.
Nothing to gain from this..

1975 76 Porsche Christophorus 6 Magazine Set 911 Carrera 930 Turbo 100yrs 116 21 | eBay

 

Wow 200 pages!

This is quite impressive. The single greatest resource on these not too long ago, overlooked cars. Not to mention on a rival manufacturers forum.

As somebody that is preserving one of these cars. The information found here and the members willing to share their knowledge is priceless. If I am stumped about the tiny details to do a job right, I know where the information can be found. So thanks to all the contributors.

I know the "Price debate" is not every bodies cup of tea. The price rise is a significant aspect of these cars that has come about after the beginning of this thread. One would expect that to enter the conversation from time to time. I don't believe it will dominate this thread any time soon.

If there is a portion of a thread you don't like. It would be better to just let it go rather than clog up the information flow with ones disapproval. Disapproval is what deteriorates a thread quicker than anything.

Thanks again for a great thread.

 

If anyone is going to The Quail A Motorsports Gathering this year at Monterey my car will be in the Supercar Car section 5k miles, as new, original show room condition.
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That's food for thought. The 930's competition in 1976 would include the Ferrari 512bbi, Maserati Bora, Lamborghini Countach, Jaguar XJS, and the Aston Martin V8. I think the Italians were in the 5.0-5.5 sec 0-60, not sure about the Brits. Most article have the 930 in the same range as the Italians, but there was one that recorded a 4.5 or 4.7.

 

Lovely car and congrats on acceptance to Quail with what looks like a reference-grade example however this thread focuses on the 3.0 Turbo Carrera cars.

 

I recently cleaned and detailed the front and rear fuse boxes on my 1975 Turbo. My rear fuse housing contains three relays (1 red and 2 black). I checked my 1975 Turbo owner’s manual and the photo shows two relays vs. three (see photo below) but the fuse and relay chart in the manual correctly indicates there are three relays in the engine compartment:

1 Warm-up regulator
2 Relay Air Meter/Boost
3 Hot Start Value

I checked my 1976 Turbo Carrera manual and there is no photo of an open rear fuse housing but the chart indicates there was only one relay in the engine compartment - relay for air control/unit charging pressure. The 1975 and 1976 factory service manuals also show only one relay in the engine compartment for the 1976 model year and the addition of a condenser for the CDI control unit. For the 1977 model year, it appears that the rear fuse housing did not change from 1976.

I’ve noticed an odd characteristic of my 1975 Turbo when it is cold. At idle, the RPM’s fluctuate up and down about 100-200 RPMs before the engine is fully warm. I believe this may be the rear warm-up relay for the 1975 model year. Do 1976 and 1977 Turbos also have this RPM fluctuation prior to being warm? Do all 1976 and 1977 Turbos have only one relay in the engine compartment?

Additionally, I believe the plastic front fuse cover is original to my car as it shows two fuel pump fuses (only turbos had two fuel pumps) and matches the fuses/relays in the 1975 owner’s manual. It’s odd though as it has a 911 part # (vs. 930) – 911.612.161.00.
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I've never noticed idle surging in my 77 when cold- let me drive it this weekend and I'll report back.
Phil

 

1976 Turbo Carrera, Platinum metallic with leather to sample interior, chassis number 9306800466, 20K miles. Note the California emissions decal on the rear quarter window and still equipped with the thermal reactors. For sale at Hemmings.com.

1976 Porsche 930 Turbo Carrera for sale #1742832 | Hemmings Motor News
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that is a mighty impressive car.
Phil

 

I also have those fluctuations on my 75.

 

Rich, my 77 does that as well. I believe that is why the choke levers are there so you can adjust the throttle while cold. Of course, I have never played with the choke levers. Btw, my mechanic fired up my car today after repairing some oil leaks.

 

My 76 ROW #91 built 10/75 has three relays. The wiring diagrams for 76 are not correct for this car. The 75 wiring diagram is a better guide.

From my tinkering I have found my cold idle can surge when lean.

 

That '76 that is in Hemings is the one that I was offered by a dealer last week for $100K more....

 

Sloane- at $200k seems like a tempting proposition.

Phil

 

So I'm curious what anyone here would or more importantly has paid for a turbo 3.0 case lately. I've seen a couple for sale at what I would consider absurd prices. I understand if you found he correct numbers matching case that would be worth some serious money but just to get correct engine type # not near as much.
Phil

 

I love the hand throttle...it's very nice to control the idle when the engine is cold.

Your Turbo may have three relays in the engine compartment since it has a 930/50 engine. It would be very unusual if the '76/77 owner's manuals and factory service books have incorrect relay information. It will be interesting to hear from others if their 1976 and 1977 model year Turbos have three relays in the engine bay.

What is the date of your owner's manual for your car?

 

At $200,000 I would definitely be a buyer. How many do you think are left like that? We will see what happens.

 

I would be a buyer at $220,000.