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I had a 599 stick in February 2015 and here is why I don't now!

Discussion in '612/599' started by 599isgonenotfair, Apr 23, 2015.

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  1. 599isgonenotfair

    Apr 23, 2015
    15
    If the owner would have just returned my calls and said we screwed up - I would have respect for that. As for a donation - I would have donated ALL of the proceeds of anything I would have settled with them. Because it's not about the money.
     
  2. KY _Soldier

    KY _Soldier Formula Junior

    Oct 13, 2008
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    Eric Rahman
    Settled with them? You're continually pointing the finger at them. Let me ask you, as the consumer, do you not have any obligations here or is it the dealer's responsibility to make sure you're informed? Do you not have ANY responsibility towards due diligence on your part?
     
  3. KY _Soldier

    KY _Soldier Formula Junior

    Oct 13, 2008
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    There is a saying that goes "trust but verify." That's why people get PPIs before buying a car. Should you not have done the exact opposite before selling? For example get a market evaluation from another source? Would you sell your home based solely on a relator's suggestion?
     
  4. 599isgonenotfair

    Apr 23, 2015
    15
    Sir, I totally respect your opinion and we can agree to disagree. I believe that it is an obligation in the case of a repeat client - to inform them on any and all. So what's where we disagree but I respect you and your position immensely.
     
  5. 599isgonenotfair

    Apr 23, 2015
    15
    And you are correct. I made the mistake of trusting someone I thought I could trust. And I got crushed over it. But you are also correct, it is a blessed life. Thank you
     
  6. KY _Soldier

    KY _Soldier Formula Junior

    Oct 13, 2008
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    Eric Rahman
    I agree that they SHOULD have told you, but I just think there is shared obligation.on the bright side you won't make the same mistake again ;)
     
  7. 599isgonenotfair

    Apr 23, 2015
    15
    And you are the hero for taking care of soliders and working with them. Gd bless
     
  8. KY _Soldier

    KY _Soldier Formula Junior

    Oct 13, 2008
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    Eric Rahman
    Me? Nah. But I've served with many
     
  9. vrsurgeon

    vrsurgeon F1 World Champ
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    Dec 13, 2009
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    Still whining and pointing the finger at others? Like how everyone else missed the pointof the post? its you pal. all you. They had no obligation to tell you anything beyond "yes I will buy the car" and then stroke the check for that amount. They have no obligation to tell you they were selling the car. Why didnt you do some research on the car you own and drive? Like.. How rare it is. Sorry, just comes off as another enrolled schmuck with sellers remose. Move on...(sorry)
     
  10. MrF355

    MrF355 Formula Junior

    Mar 4, 2008
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    You don't know when to stop. You messed up, in time you will get over it. And yes it is about the money otherwise you wouldn't keep whining.
     
  11. 360modena2003

    360modena2003 Formula 3

    Jul 11, 2009
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    Common sense should have told you that something is very strange when a dealer wants to buy back a car at a price higher than what he sold it to you for...
     
  12. 599isgonenotfair

    Apr 23, 2015
    15
    You guys are right. I'm the schmuck for trusting that someone who I spent money with on 4 previous purchases would have been more upfront. I was an absolute idiot in trusting them. Does that mean that I can't tell that story in the hopes that others don't get screwed like me. Absolutely! I mean, how many times do you have to patronize a company and how many thousands of dollars do you have to spend before you think that they might actually be transparent and up front. That they would actually say, "before you take this offer FROM ANOTHER CUSTOMER OF OURS, WHOM WE ARE BROKERING THE DEAL FOR, here's some information - your model is in an auction that we are also participating in and the range of expected selling price is 200-275k...." They CALL ME, soliticed me, representing to broker a deal but keep saying in the calls over and over again "you are our valued customer, we value our relationship with you"....and then they withhold information they had? That's a tough one to understand how that an acceptable business practice. And when asking questions like, "has anything else been done to this car as far as modifications go" - and you are told, "no" and then you keep kissing curbs - so much so that you have to spend valuable hours researching to find out that you were lied to, then to make matters worse, are charged to correct that issue - after buying car after car...? If that makes me a schmuck - then that is a sad statement for the state of trust in business.

    If me being a schmuck, prevents someone else from not being one - I'm good with that. The money isn't the issue - people shouldnt lie or withhold information to loyal customers. And yes, I'm a schmuck for trusting that they wouldn't do that to me. I completely agree.
     
  13. LARRYH

    LARRYH F1 Veteran
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    Jun 3, 2011
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    with all do respect to you where you miss the point is that they offered you a price and you AGREED to the price . they have no responsibility to forecast anything about the value I suspect if that car at auction sold for 20K less then you sold your car for you would have felt like you got a great deal .... you should know the dealer is always working for the deal the salesman has no reason to out think the deal he made you a fair offer i suspect you were thrilled to get it (as i would have been) dealer probably thought they were taking care of you with the offer
     
  14. Statler

    Statler F1 World Champ

    Jun 7, 2011
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    The two threads about this are a great f-chat community warning and we should thank the OP for the heads up.




    We now know to never do business with him.

    :)
     
  15. Crayzee1

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    How did you not know a 6 speed manual was a rare car? The dealer was under zero obligation to tell you why they wanted to buy it. What did you think they wanted if for, a parts car? Of course they were going to resell it. Sorry all this rests 100% on you.
     
  16. efg2014

    efg2014 Formula Junior

    Sep 14, 2014
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    I get the point. You bough multiple cars for this dealership, made them lots of money and as a reasonable person expected them to be fair and forthright. However as you unfortunately realized dealerships are out to make money and don't care about being upfront.

    I think it sucks that they did this and unfortunately in the future you can not trust anyone and that is a sad commentary on society. The right thing would have been to offer you more than they did.
     
  17. 360CSS

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  18. Crayzee1

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  20. Crayzee1

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  21. Loz997S

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    Thanks, did a quick search by name but didn't find it. Sorry for the repost. First world problems eh? :)
     
  22. Crayzee1

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    Surely. :) My feeling is the threads will be merged soon.
     
  23. sherpa23

    sherpa23 F1 World Champ
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    I'll take it a step further. Not only does the dealer have no responsibility to forecast the value but I think that would be highly disingenuous of a dealer to sell someone a car based on hypothetical future values. What happens if the car goes down in price? Then what? Then someone would say the dealer said it would go up and it went down instead? No thank you. Buy or sell the car for what it is and not what it could be. This was a fair deal all the way around.

    FYI, I have issue with this repeated assertion that Miller "participated" in the auction. They were spectators along with thousands of people. I participated in the auction as I sold a car in that sale. The RM guys had a long talk with me about the 599. They asked me what I thought. I thought maybe $300k. They thought a little less. As I said before on there, NO ONE saw this coming. And by then, this Miller deal was well in the history books by then.

    Lastly, I am not sure how Miller would have known about the projected estimate of the RM car as the auction catalogs didn't arrive to the prospective bidders more than 2 weeks or so ahead of the sale. I always get advanced copies and they don't come far in advance. If Miller was not participating the sale, which they were not, then they may not have even gotten a catalog until they showed up at the sale. Besides, estimates are just that: estimates . No one knows what a car will sell for until it sells. If you don't believe me then ask people who sell cars regularly: the auction circuit is a trail of tears for a lot of people.
     
  24. NeuroBeaker

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    From the article:


    I can't help but think that many things have happened that shouldn't have stunned you at all. At multiple stages along the way, you've failed to exercise due diligence. If you were more careful and thoughtful before you did things then perhaps you'd avoid bad results. I'm not the least bit surprised the dealer is suing you over your silly campaign against them, I'd sue you too if I was them.

    Regards,
    Andrew.
     
  25. wolfturbo

    wolfturbo Formula Junior

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    I hope you escrowed your $30K PROFIT to cover future legal fees. Good luck getting this genie back into the lantern!!
     

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