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  1. jm2

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    #2426 jm2, May 19, 2015
    well said
    I like to tell the sponsors & visitors to the class that there are 16 students working to the same design brief.......and I can guarantee there will be 16 totally different solutions
    it's my job to make sure we cover the entire 'bandwidth' of solutions, not a laser focused one for all 16
     
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    #2427 330 4HL, May 19, 2015
    I think you are really fortunate to be teaching now.
    The cultural influences are so much greater than they once were; it must be fantastically interesting. Where once you would have faced a sea of white, you now get Korean, Japanese, and Chinese students, with completely different concepts of what art is. It must be challenging to direct without subverting.
    With the end of the series "Mad Men" in the news, it's kind of amazing to think that two of the big three corporate design heads are now black, and Ralph Gilles with his Haitian, (French!)Canadian, and American personal history certainly brings his fair share of cultural and environmental influences to the table! :)
     
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    #2428 jm2, May 19, 2015
    very true
    the diversity today is unbelievable
    many Koreans particularly at GM Design
    when I started in the '70's it was indeed a sea of white.....Ed was one of several African Americans, and there were even fewer Asians.....Larry Shinoda had already departed GM for Ford then wound up at RecTrans
     
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    #2430 Jeff Kennedy, May 20, 2015
    John,
    Do you see a cultural difference in the design approach and design sensitivity amongst the different groups by the time they reach your classes? How so?
     
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    #2431 jm2, May 20, 2015
    almost the entire next generation of designers have a much more complex design language than my generation
    where 'less is more' used to be......now 'more is more or not enough'
    the Asian students are particularly interested in a more complex form/surface development
    I've read that part of it can be attributed to Anime (Anime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) as youngsters they were watching this and reading the comics and heavily involved in video games
    it's also somewhat a rejection of the 'older' generation's design values and sensibilities
    each generation has to establish their own design credo, and I believe complexity is here for the foreseeable future
    when I was a young pup, the '60's era Bill Mitchell GM cars, Pininfarina, Betone and Giugiaro were the trend setters in design

    even on the Ferrari Design Competition, the guys really wanted to make them very complex as I tried to explain the virtues of the previous generation of beautiful Ferraris.
    If you examine the LaFerrari, there is nothing 'simple' about the design execution or design philosophy...........'the times they are a changing'
    or 'you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows'

    get on board or get off, but the design train is leavin' the station, like it or not :)
     
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    #2433 anunakki, May 20, 2015
    I think this post sums up why Im not enamored of newer auto design. Im much more a fan of 'less is more'

    But you are certainly right in that complex forms are the future. Im not so sure anime is the origin though. I think it goes back further to Syd Mead and other futurists who then inspired modern day (70s on) anime.
     
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    #2434 jm2, May 20, 2015
    You could certainly be right
    I need to look into the whole Anime movement and it's effects on Asian children in the '70's - '90's
    one of my close friends wrote a paper several years ago about 'Biomorphism' and how it's affected current design trends, the idea being the younger generation of designers were influenced by Saturday morning cartoons, i.e. Transformers, and sea creatures,etc. (Kentucky to the World Presents: Bill Porter, Coming to Louisville in Summer 2015 - Kentucky to the World)
    I know he believes that the influences on the young generation was completely opposite the 'jet age' enthusiasm of the previous generation of designers

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomorphism
     
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    #2435 Tcar, May 20, 2015
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    I'm not a car designer... but one of my thoughts is that with the much, much, thinner sheet metal we have on cars now (for lightness) compared to several decades ago, the metal needs to have 'creases' or 'folds' at closer intervals to maintain integrity. So much busier design and shape.

    No more big slabs of sheet metal like the classic 61-69 Lincoln Continental. The metal just would not be stiff enough.

    (Not a fan of the La Ferrari.)


    I am interested by the shape/texture of a dent in my 62 Karman Ghia compared to a modern car... totally different appearance. Almost looks like 'dented' aluminum foil on the new car. More rounded and smooth on the old car for a similar impact.
     
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    #2436 jm2, May 20, 2015
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    It's a logical theory, but not necessarily true. Today's cars use thinner sheetmetal than say the '50's - '60's, but the sheetmetal stamping guys/gals require a certain amount of 'crown' which is curvature, to avoid 'oil canning' or flexing because the metal is too flat. I can illustrate this example with the previous gen Cadillac CTS. Note there aren't a multitude of creases as you refer to, but there is the minimum amount of crown to avoid the sheetmetal from flexing. The inner structure acts to stiffen the outer sheetmetal.
    Hope that explains the current sheetmetal state of affairs :)

    I should also add however that the characteristics of aluminum require more crown and an awareness at the design stage that the material will bend and flex easier than standard sheet metal
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    #2437 Tcar, May 20, 2015
    Thank you... didn't think of that.
     
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    #2438 Wade, May 20, 2015
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    Joined the folks at Disney for GM's Ride and Drive today; sampled the ELR (very nice), the ATS Coupe (Sweet!), Escalade (tight cockpit, if you can believe that, and I'm skinny) and the Sonic RS. In the real world urban environment I vote for the RS as most fun. :)

    The upcoming ATS-V Coupe with its twin-turbo 466 HP motor is something to think about!
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    #2439 jm2, May 20, 2015
    Once the lease is up on my CTS V , the ATS V Coupe is looking pretty good to me
     
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    Already showed it at the new Alfa Museum showroom. Atleast the first one designed by Frank Costin served a purpose. This one is kind of ugly.

    Next intro at this showroom should be the new Alfa Romeo Giulia or whatever they call it on June 24th, best kept secret in years as no one has any pictures of it.


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    #2444 NeuroBeaker, May 22, 2015
    Your personal CTS-V certainly has some provenance. I think it'd be cool to own the example that went off the production line straight to the car's designer.

    All the best,
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    #2445 jm2, May 22, 2015
    my pals keep telling me that, but i'm not one that tends to keep his cars for very long
    just me I guess :)
     
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    #2448 f308jack, May 22, 2015
    Looking at what BMW presents in comparison to Zagato, it is easy to see why Italian design deserves all the fame it acquired over the years.

    Best,

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    #2450 anunakki, May 22, 2015
    I cant tell if I like it or hate it
     
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