interior looks is improvement but exhaust sound is much worse than in 458 and Huracan M4 with Akrapovic exhaust system sounds better and it's only six cylinder
The 488 GTB sounds desperately TERRIBLE in all those Videos, no crescendo, no scream, too many gears, goodnight ... at least it looks good
While the exhaust sound is better than I expected, still doesn't deliver the awesome F1 shriek that you get with the 458+IPE F1
Ask yourself would you rather have a car that sounds like the 488 (which isn't bad at all) and is fast enough to beat everything but a LaFerrari OR would you prefer a slower car that has sounds that you consider acceptable? If your answer is the better sounding car than lets take that question up a notch. Would you take a car that sounds like the 488 that beats the LaFerrari by two or more seconds on Fiorano or would you rather have a NA 488 which sounds better but is two seconds slower than LaFerrari? Assume you can't have BOTH the sound and the record beating performance together ever again due to regulations. I will take the performance on both. The sound from the turbo is just fine with me. It's not a Tesla which is dead silent. Now would I take an electric car that beats LaFerrari handily at Fiorano but makes no sound at all? At this point probably not. I drove a Cali T yesterday and sure it doesn't shriek like my 488 but it sounds way better than 99% of what's on the road today and I don't find it that bad. I'm just not that obsessed with a shrieking exhaust. My 458 is quiet most of the time unless I open it up and I am not going to put Capristo on it so it can blast all the time. I had Tubi's on my 430 Spider which were incredible if you are an exhaust note fanatic. However that noise got old and I prefer the dual personality of the 458 exhaust much more
The 458 Spider is fast enough for me. 9000 rpm redline is higher than F12, Cali T, FF, 488. That is unique and amazing. I no longer track, i just want passing power on the open road which the 458 has in spades. And no turbo lag. I have only heard recordings of the 458. Some sound good. I will await final judgment when i hear it live. Do coupe buyers really care about the sound? The spider is much better with the top down or even the top up with the rear window down. Best
What's the point of a performance envelope that 99% of people are not going to explore? And the 1% that will, won't 99% of the time?
Those are the right questions. The thing is, the performance envelope is already so large that the incremental performance is only really discernible on the track. The N/A 458 is already plenty fast and may be better to drive as the power application is so predictable. We are at the stage where the performance of all these cars is so good that the subjective factors play a more important role in how the car involves you and is entertaining to drive. Put another way, a slower car is only less fun when you constantly need to get out of the way on the track. All other times, I'd rather have the sound and other subjective things, as I'm not going to be racing other cars on the street. A car thus can be slower (to a point, but we're talking about a 458 vs 488), yet more entertaining to drive.
Going into turbo was a mistake, Ferrari should don't care about Mclaren lap times and just stay NA as long as possible, later they could go into hybrid, even NA V6 like this in GT3 plus electric motor would be better than turbo crap
Talked to a head Ferrari mechanic today about the 488. He is also a former race driver and He has driven the 488. He told me it is amazing in every way with performance that blows away the the Speciale and even the f12. He said it's not as loud but sounds pretty damn good. Lastly, he noted there is absolutely zero turbo lag with turbos that kick in around 2000rpm. Can't wait!
You know what, i was thinking about that last night. For the next gen, they could do a 3.8 v6+hybrid.
A turbo engine has lag. A "zero turbo lag" engine is not possible, given that a turbocharger takes time to spool. In other words, a zero turbo lag engine is an oxymoron. That is why you commonly hear terms such as "virtually no turbo lag", "throttle response almost as good as a NA engine" etc. I also have no doubt it sounds good, but not as good as the 458.
What's new? The same is said about all new cars from all new brands. Of course the 488 is better than cars created years ago.
He explained it as a change to standard turbo engines in how the turbo spools even at low rpm and how it blows over the engine. Obviously I'm not a mechanic so I don't pretend to understand the intricate aspects of this. However how can you or anybody be certain what is or is not possible. Similar things have been said about nearly all technological breakthroughs. Think about the iPhone in 2006 and the electric car before Tesla. Who is to say Ferrari can't pull off something amazing. Certainly I could be wrong but I don't think anyone on this forum has had the chance to drive this car yet.
I am sure i would like the 488...would i love it enough to fork over $100k or more plus trading in the 458 spider?
Seems unlikely that Ferrari's first attempt to make a turbo is revolutionary when companies like VW or Mercedes have been refining turbos for probably decades and spend more on their development than Ferrari generates in revenue. It's possible, but it seems unlikely that Ferrari would be much ahead of the game. I imagine there is no lag just as much as there is no lag in a 911TT or a 12C -- it's there, but not noticeable unless you're in the totally wrong gear. Modern turbos cars really don't have noticeable lag unless you try to do something to make it apparent or really, really look for it. Is there lag below 2000 rpm? Maybe, but I don't think it's possible to even drive below 2000 rpms in an exotic.
If you drive 2000 rpm the 458 exhaust valves will not open and the sound will be substandard. Thus, there is no reason to drive a 458 at anything less than 3000 rpm and put it in Race mode.
