488 GTB (458 replacement)

notice that the lowest part of the new front are the two thin outboard air foils that are part of the ginormous front bumper that extends over the wheel housing..the detachable section looks to be the thin full width jutting wing just above it..odd decision , since the moment you scrunch these lateral lower foils , like on a very steep ramp taken at an angle, even if you have the llift , it will look bashed up against that wing and may require bumper replacement ( Carfax reportable ?) since it will look like a*% from the front to typical OCD owner

those lower lateral foils should have been done in deforming scrapable rubber and attached to the bottom of the detachable section

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/JmuVHvcTr8U/maxresdefault.jpg

 

Will do.

 

Ferrari 488 GTB Unveiling in South Africa: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.888821674497374.1073742094.189423807770501&type=1

 

That colour really suits it.

 

Looks like Grigio Ferro... too dark to be Grigio Titanio, and too light to be Grigio Silverstone....

 

This is nice pic...

https://www.facebook.com/samijoemansour/photos/pb.462290850559903.-2207520000.1432755314./701813099941009/?type=3&permPage=1

Just love the elegant simplicity of the tail lights.

Don't forget to click the little expand button top right of the pic.

 

Err, no! They could always englarge the V8, or go V10.

 

You can always go bigger but you'll never get the same power and mainly tq. This new V8 already produces 10% more tq than the 6.3l v12 in the F12.

You'll never get that in an NA v8 that is anywhere near economical to operate or produce that could come close to either of the above mentioned engines. A V10 really is not a magical power plant as its limits are not far off.

The tq of this new motor is what will be unobtainable for any NA package. The dream of an NA motor keeping up with a turbo is just that.... A dream. Sadly we are at the point where you can actually be the fastest or just sound like you're the fastest.

 

Torque is an overrated metric. At any rate, the torque that reaches the wheels is different to that on the crankshaft. The V12s will remain N/A. That tells you all you need to know. They just had to deal with emissions and high Chinese taxes for engines above 4 litres, hence the blowers.

 

we need V12 mid engine car
http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/364/e/4/aston_martin_dbc_concept_car_hd_wallpaper_1920x108_by_darkeagle2011-d8btl3t.jpg

 

Bring back the testarossa!!!!

 

+12

 

Not to mention that Ferrari have a very defined hierarchy which is part of its brand signarture and will not go V10 for that reason and also because that engine is too closely associated with Lamborghini.

 

Why does your second statement count for the V8 and not the V12?

 

It's hard to dissect the thought process used by someone that tries to say torque is a useless metric when comparing types of power adders vs non power adders etc.

 

Go lighter is much better than go stronger. Also, the MP4 performs better than the 458, but nobody wants one. Ferrari sold way more 458 than MP4. So 0-100, 0-200, or lap time is not everything. I think passion is more important, the look, the feel and the sound. Now with Ferrari goes Turbo, there is a reason to go for Mclaren. They are now basically the same.

 

You really think the only thing that separates Ferrari from McLaren is a turbo charger? Really?

 

Lesia is correct. Some people buy a Ferrari because of what it is.

I have an FF because of the V12, the sound and the excitement of it. I tested the RS7 among many cars which is just as fast as the FF (Interestingly it is a Turbo motor, heavier than the FF while having 100 hp less and barely more tq.....REALZUES).

It also felt not as well in handling. At the end of the day it felt boring to me.

I was also in the new Mercedes GTS today and the motor was just blah....

So while I may give realzues a hard time I completely understand the potential issues with the turbo motor, the excitement and the feel it will give. We can only wait and see after we drive them next month.

We do know there is no way to compete with the 650s using an NA variant. Its just not possible. With that being said, can Ferrari have a car that gets destroyed in performance metrics by the 650s that come out 2 years later than the 650s?? Probably would not look good.

 

That's all there is to it. They've been backed into a corner by McLaren. Of course, that's the last thing in the world Ferrari would admit.

 

Was at the unveiling in NYC last night and these pictures represent it better than I could get last night. Too crowded and no ability to photo. From my perspective though I don't feel the 488 GTB has anything over the 458 in its design. There are a few details I'm not crazy about, one being the treatment of the rear windows. The 458 has air intakes which flow into the rear windows and really give that part of the car a nice dimension. The 488 GTB's rear window is flat and unimpressive. Also not sure about the front bumper treatment. It is La Ferrari like in appearance but it looks like it was stuck on to the front of the car. But those few items are objective and probably won't influence anyone in making their decision to buy the car. The car is beautiful overall and will be viewed that way particularly to those who have not owned a Ferrari or the casual observer. Technologically it is advanced from the numbers Ferrari is posting. Only couple of tenths faster than the 458 from 0-60 mph but notably faster up to 120 mph. In the final analysis I want to drive the car and it will have to be pretty impressive before I give up my 458 for it. I have no doubts the car will be a success for the brand.

 

If Ferrari made a na rear mid-engine V12 hard top convertible i would have my deosit down faster than you can say 458 Speciale Aperta.

 

or you could buy an aventador hardtop, lol

 

Cause the V8s are the "mass" produced cars and the ones that will bring most sales in emerging markets. The V12s are more rarified by definition.

 

It seems that your internal V-Box is not working properly mate if you found the RS7 just as quick as the FF.

As for output, A 5+ litre N/A V8/V10 would have given 488 levels of performance. Luca decreed against it though. So turbos it is for the V8s then. Luckly we still have the V12s!

 

Now that would be something!!! Perhaps Sergio will change Luca's decree regarding flagship V12s. One can only hope...