488 GTB (458 replacement)

Yes, Porsche is planning a new GT2 e-Hybrid model. This car will use e-engines on both axels and - surprise surprise - a turbocharged engine.

Porsche assumes that by 2020 turbo engines with a power output per liter of more than 200hp will be standard.

 

this is what I'm afraid about, future hybrid ferrari will be V6 or V8 turbo not NA

 

People on here take what the journalists parrot as holy gospel. They all do the same track laps + the same Modena hillside roads on every test. It's like a rinse and repeat "test" at this point...

 

Right... And it had absolutely nothing to do with being backed in to a corner by McLaren...

 

Maybe in a straight line but not doing laps. Electric comes with weight and that is an enemy when cornering and braking. Too much mass to slosh around. Also electric can't run flat out for very long. Tesla goes into low power mode if u push it too hard too long so it can cool down. Even if they conquer that issue there will always be weight

But I agree straight line with electric is easy and fast. Add big enough motors and battery pack and u can straight line drag race with the best

 

But you do get to a point where, other than bragging rights, does it matter.

 

Obviously Ferrari disagrees with you and they know a couple of things regarding engines and lap times. These cars are already at the limit of traction. By the way, the journos seem to agree with Ferrari also:


"Because there’s so much more torque than before, Ferrari has restricted the flow of twist action in all but the highest gears. By doing this, the 488’s acceleration feels more natural, say Maranello’s engineers, and it feels less obviously turbocharged as a result. There are no plateaus in the torque flow, and because of this plus the immediacy of response to its new twin scroll turbos, the 488 almost feels like it’s powered by an atmospheric engine, they say.

So are they telling the truth? In a word, yes. On the move you’d be hard pushed to tell if the 488 is turbocharged or not, so fast and so huge is the response to its throttle from seemingly any revs, and in just about any gear."
Ferrari 488 GTB review | Auto Express


So there you go. Torque manipulation in order to make the engine feel more special in its delivery (a.k.a. atmospheric).

 

What is it with you Americans and deep (i.e. American V8) sounds? In Europe the shriek of highly strung N/A engine is valued very highly.

 

You have very poor reading comprehension.

From a previous post of mine:

"Plateaus in the torque flow" above means that it doesn't stop building torque until it reaches peak torque. Then it stays linear and flat - exactly like an NA engine.

 

I'm English and live in Wiltshire.

And I think you might have missed the point of the piece I wrote.

 

The numbers might be rounded up or down, but they are more or less indicative.

 

Two pics of the unveiling at Ferrari-Maserati of Quebec's annual F1 cocktail party.
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That's not true. Ferrari has been sharing engines with Maseratis many years now. They are not identical units though. Even the engine in the Cali T is substantially different to that in the 488.

 

Not really. Electric cars are good up to about 100 mph. Then the performance falls off. Not to mention that internal combustion engines will continue to evolve! Teslas might be interesting for some people but I would have a Quattroporte any day!

 

Here you go. Graph stolen from pistonheads.

488GTB: FLAT torque curve from 3k to 6.5k, then falls off quickly after that due to the turbos choking the engine at high revs.

458: FLAT torque curve from 4k to 6k RPM, then tapers towards redline, but not nearly as dramatic since it is NA.

Exactly like I said.
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Now that you've been up close and personal, how much does it resemble the 458? From the pics it looks quite similar.

 

In your previous post you said that you fail to understand why Ferrari limits the torque in the first few gears. Perhaps your comprehension of the reasons given by the manufacturer needs to be improved upon.

 

No that isn't what I said LOL. I said that I don't know why they limit the redline in those gears. See previous comment about your reading comprehension.

I'm sure they are limiting torque in the midrange in ALL gears to deliver that flat-ish torque curve.

 

I must have misread then. Apologies.

Regarding the rev limit, no other publication except that one has written anything like that. Perhaps they got it all wrong.

 

No worries : )

Interesting about the rev limit. Yah I was surprised that Harris didn't mention it if it is really the case. Also wonder if it is limited somehow when the car is warming up perhaps like the BMW M cars and the journalist didn't put 2 and 2 together.

 

Autoblog review

2016 Ferrari 488 GTB First Drive

"The 488 GTB has a great chassis, though, and the performance is mean and magnificent. Even the looks are objectively great, but hanging over the 488 like Banquo's ghost is the outgoing 458, with its looks and clarion-sounding engine. If we hadn't tasted and heard the old car's brilliance, we would give its replacement all the stars it probably deserves. But we have, and in that respect the 488 is lacking in some important matters for most Ferrari owners. In exchange for speed, the 488 GTB relinquishes some of the emotional feel that makes our heart race."

 

Hasn't every new Ferrari been accused of not being as emotional as the car it replaces, even the 458?

 

Well said. Every new model is criticized in comparison to previous models. Then when another new model is introduced, the same will occur using the model that is currently being critisized. I just sit back and enjoy the show. Just look at all the criticism the California T was receiving for being a turbo and will never sell. Oh wait, the V12 production line is being delayed so that all the California T orders can be fulfilled. Hmmm, give me a sofa, soda, and popcorn, i think a rerun is on with some new actors.

 

Unfortunately its true.

 

this car is emotional
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulfxHtVF8bg