Will there be a F12 "HGTE" Announced at Frankfurt in September?

At 800 HP (CV) output, the "GTO's" engine would appear to be the petrol engine of LaF, the Tipo F140FE. I recall some people were pushing for an LaF without KERS.

Anyone know which engine is used in the FXXK?

The 599 used the engine from the Enzo and the 599 GTO got its added moniker from using 599XX's engine. They could be doing the same thing again if they want to use the FXXK's engine, homologate a track car engine for street-legal use. It would also give them financial advantage with "spare parts" for the FXXK if the same engine found its way into a bigger number of cars. It would lower the costs of engine parts.

 

From what I understand, the FXXK uses a modified 860PS version of the F140.

 

To my mind there has always been that possibility as I suggested in the other HGTE/GTO thread. It is more a marketing question given that it is unlikely there could be a more extreme F12 so do they use the GTO moniker given the FXXK link, tenuous as it is, so as to justify the $600,000 + tax price or reserve it for the next model, the F12 successor, and thus not for some while.

 

Hmm interesting, and it appears to also have the same displacement as the Tipo F140FE.

Then perhaps the upcoming GTO will have an 800 HP slightly-detuned version of the 860 HP FXXK engine. Similarly, the 599 GTO's engine is 670 HP vs the 599XX's 730 HP.

 

Unfortunately, I haven't been staying up late enough to notice the HGTE/GTO thread.

At any rate, given that the 599 inherited the Enzo's engine, an understandable STEP-UP from that would be for the current V12 line to inherit a V12 engine from an XX car just like the 599 GTO, and thus justify the big price tag. If the new "GTO" uses a detuned 800 HP FXXK engine, the next V12 model, post F12, can still receive the 860 HP version or some slightly upgraded version of it.

One could look at this practice as a utility path for V12 engines used in the XX program... put them to use in the street-legal V12 line. The XX program is also meant to promote development of technologies for future cars.

 

I can tell you that at one stage the car was known internally as GTO before becoming VS. first viewings, for Germany strangely enough, is tonight, so there should be an update shortly and that might tell us more about GTO or not.

 

Sorry, what's VS?

 

Verzione Speciale.

That's the temporary name for the "Hardcore" F12

 

Versione Speciale. The Aperta was referred to internally as V8 LE until just prior to launch so it is well possible that this car could be renamed on the day of launch.

 

Thanks guys. I will look for some news update from tonight then.

 

Correct me if I am wrong. I have not bought any of my ferraris new so I do not know. Many ferraris (not only special editions) have come out and trade for a premium for a few months at the minimum, and dealers want the cars back in order to sell them at a premium above MSRP. So my understanding was that if one wanted to be on that treadmill and buy them new, one could trade them in and not lose much if anything. I'm thinking 458, 458 spider, speciale, F12 might have done the trick. Of course if they required an FF at full sticker maybe that would hurt a bit or a 599 late in the process (not GTO).

Just wanting to understand a bit more. I bought a used CS in 2008ish, a used GTO in 2011/2 and got a show for a speciale and a used Aperta but not this new one for example nor an SA (which I would have bought).

Overall, I feel I have been treated ok and bought most of the stuff I really wanted at a fair price without too much fuss.

I imagine they don't have an easy task keeping s lot of type a's at bay 😀

 

My dealer said the same too.

Mbn

 

Why so defensive MisterMaranello? All comments are valid, regardless of whether they are correct or not.

I just remembered what you posted some time ago about the new f12 that is comming.....

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Originally Posted by ferr9000
New F12 Model for April-May 2015 aproximetly. Liveries and carbon roof are some of the exterior changes/options.
Wellcome to Ferrari! Enjoy.

MisterMaranello:
New F12 in 2016, not 2015
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I will try to find the answer for you.
About the "new" F12 for first semester 2015.

I will keep you informed.

MisterMaranello:
I would like to know more about the sources of your information, as what you're putting forward does not correlate with the recent 5-year plan. There is no F12 M due for unveil Q1 2015. I hope you realize what you're suggesting is that Ferrari unveil 458M and F12M simultaneously - which doesn't require a rocket scientist to understand that isn't going to happen.

I assume you are familiar with Ferrari's model life cycle strategy and difference between M and new platforms?
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Sadly I can not say more info about source.

All the info that I put here is non official and not confirmed...but usually a big part of the information that I recieved is accurate or at least close to the reality. If I recieved any update or new info that I could post here, I will do it.
Refering to the new/updated/facelift F12 is under development right now.

And sorry if my english is not perfect, but my native lenguague is spanish.

Best

MisterMaranello:
The information you are putting forward is incorrect with regards to when the car will be unveiled. There is no further speculation to be had about that.

It is a well-known fact that the 458M will be shown at Geneva, which means there is absolutely no space for an F12 M to be released in the same period of time. There is no F12 M until 2016, which corresponds with the 4 year M/8 year new platform product strategy.

Of course the F12 M is under development, but that doesn't mean the car's unveil is imminent.
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At that time I had mentioned that this new f12 Gto/M/Speciale was on the way.And you said that I was wrong......
Even the arrival date was very close comparing what is happening right now ( I just missed by a couple of weeks)
I am writing this so that you act on another occasion to more humble way. Your comments and content are far better than when you respond that way.

Back on topic the livery used on this new f12 is very beautiful.5 units have been already totally finished

Best
FSS

 

The GTO moniker was ruined with introduction of 599 variant IMO.

For the 599 it was the supposed "road homologation" of car that was never meant for competition - the 599 XX - which was just a trackday toy.
Totally not in the spirit of the motorsport and competition connection of the 288 and 250 variants..
Doesn't take away from how good or bad the car is but the 599 GTO isn't a real GTO.
For the F12 it'll be similar.

To my my mind GTO should mean the road homologation of a COMPETITION car.

Just my 2cents.

 

the rear looks a little bit of the 250 GTO 64 / no name at the moment / design is more aggressive then the 599 GTO

 

thanks
1415 kg? WOW

 

FSS, F12 M and F12 VS are not the same car. I've not made any comment about the F12 VS until recently when I managed to attain some solid information on the car. Furthermore if I may be somewhat pedantic, you are not missing the arrival time by "just a few weeks". The official F12 VS unveil will not take place until the later part of Q3.

The comment you're quoting was pointed at the ridiculous claim that the 599 GTO was "fanciful marketing. It had nothing to do with the one make series". I sincerely hope that blatantly subjective and factually incorrect comments are not considered 'valid' by anyone reading this forum.

Well, back on topic. Looking forward to hearing from our German friends who've been at the Factory. Seems production number is still not finalized, swinging between 700-800?

 

very cool rear / 250 gto 64

 

Just curious; you sure that being the kerb weight, not dry weight? A 215 kg drop is pretty hefty, and substantially higher than the number I've heard. 1415 kg would make it 50 kg lighter than a 488 w/full CF and racing seats. Doesn't sound quite right to me, especially considering the new technology that comes with a weight penalty.

 

other performance information?

 

Sorry, 1415 kg dry Weight I Mixed Up

 

That would be 110kg less than the F12 which sounds in the ballpark. Pretty amazing considering the GTO is 1495kg

 

Price range?

 

This tallies with everything I have learnt to date-can you tell us more and does that mean you have seen the car?

 

What a Day in Maranello. We saw the new car, it looks incredible, also the Data, and the Performance, fantastic. Sorry no pictures.