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  1. WATSON

    WATSON Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Car drove fine for 45 minutes yesterday.

    Parked and and came back to drive home. No 1st gear selection. No beep

    Pump is pressurized. Trans light is off. It is as if the paddles are not connected.

    Buddy pushes the car to move it and I get rolling...viola...can select first gear. In fact all gears. Heck I drove 45 min home, on freeway & city streets avoiding 1st gear...made it.

    Pulled into the garage, car auto down-shifts to first. I stop in the garage....and 5 seconds later, it beeps, selects neutral and now I can not select any gear. It is not even trying to engage. Like the paddles are disconnected. Can select AUTO and the slippery surface option. No beeps...

    Any ideas?
     
  2. JSBMD

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    If it's the paddles that are the culprit, you will be able to drive it in "auto" mode just fine. If it won't drive properly in auto, then the problem lies elsewhere. It's a start...
     
  3. WATSON

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    Thanks, but the paddles aren't the problem.

    I tried AUTO but it doesn't select a gear. Just sits in neutral no matter the RPM of the engine.

    Drove it home for 45 minutes in all gears after the push. However, stop and it selects N and will not select a gear after that without a push.

    It has ot be something simple...
     
  4. taz355

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    Check the transmission sensor under the gearbox. It senses a stopped condition i think. Check that plug.
     
  5. taz355

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    Also check that your brakelights are working indicating the brake switch is working
     
  6. taz355

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    The only reasons i can think of that the transmission will not let you take a gear is either bonnets or doors are open or it is not recognizing the brakes. It can not be the paddles malfunctioning because if they do the car will switch to automatic mode. Then it will only start in gear if the brake is pressed. This will not work unless the tcu senses that the paddles are not working. Both reverse and neutral are ignored if the paddles are malfunctioning.
     
  7. taz355

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    To get it moving again if the paddles were failing you would start the car engage auto and then hold the brake. The car should engage first gear. It will not engauge reverse though.
     
  8. taz355

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    After rereading your symtoms i am almost possitive its the brake. The transmission is not seeing the brake peddle being engaged. Your sensor is working under the transmission because once it knows the transmission is moving it will allow a gear change. The only thing that does not make sense is first gear should function normally when driving but if you stop for more than a few seconds it will put you into neutral.
     
  9. WATSON

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    Great minds think alike. I just rebuilt the brake switch...no joy yet.

    ...but my reluctant wife / observer reported I do not have brake lights...hummmm
     
  10. phrogs

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    Does it shift when the engine is off ?
     
  11. WATSON

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    Nothing. Like the paddle shifters are disconnected.

    Little push and the whole system works until I stop.
     
  12. phrogs

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    Sounds like something stupid and that brake light switch sounds like a winner. Especially with no brake lights.
     
  13. WATSON

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    Brake light switch is all cleaned up. Ohm's out perfect and checked in situ. Works as advertised.

    Still, no brake lights.

    EDIT. BTW, yea. I pulled the brake light bulbs and tested them.
     
  14. Subarubrat

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    I had this same problem shortly after buying the car, and some other lights were out as well. I think it was a relay that I swapped with the idle air motor relay to determine that the relay was bad. Let me do some searching and see if I can find the thread.

    ...OK, this is the problem I had and the solution. http://ferrarichat.com/forum/348-355-sponsored-bradan/68444-help-f355-dash-tail-lights-not-working.html

    Your case seems a bit different because you didn't mention your cluster lights were out, and when it happened to me my F1 system kept working. But still, a candidate area.

    When I was chasing down why my F1 system would not enter self test I pulled the TCU and checked that the 12v was present at the brake pin on the TCU harness when the pedal was pushed (and it was) might want to check that.
     
  15. taz355

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    Get your brake lights working before trying to diagnose the f1
     
  16. phrogs

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    yep because if your switch is good you have a wiring issue or a fuse for the rear lights is blown.
     
  17. WATSON

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    Brake lights fixed. I cleaned and tested all the relays and the fuses. Cleaned up the brake light fuse seating contacts on the fuse box and now the brake lights work.

    Transmission engages.

    I am afraid to back out of the driveway.
     
  18. AceMaster

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    Problem solved?
     
  19. phrogs

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    sometimes simple things cause big issues, Drive it see what happens.

    You should never be worried about driving it.

    I am going to pull my fuse for the brake lights and see if I can replicate you problem.
     
  20. 355dreamer

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    brake light issues can cause the F1 to stop working?! Man...
     
  21. phrogs

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    I pulled my brake light fuse, made sure lights not working and they were not.

    Let the pump prime then attempted to select neutral and it wouldn't move out of first gear.

    So with a blown brake lamp fuse the car will not let you shift.

    You have now fix this issue. So drive that beast.
     
  22. Enzojr

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    He might still be out driving ;)
     
  23. taz355

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    Get a wsm and read it. If the brake light switch or lights are not working the f1 wont work. Its all in the manual. It part of the safety systems i guess. Glad it fixed it.
     
  24. WATSON

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    I have a full WSM set..I got that before the car! :) I did not see anything referencing brake light failure to inop F1 transmission. But I may have missed that.

    Car runs again. Some other little issues remain, but getting better.

    Thank you...and thanks to the others that helped.
     
  25. taz355

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    Do you have the part that explains the logic of the f1. I have probably read it a hundred times and sometimes i still get a little more out of it. Also do not forget about partly worn motor mounts. The only f1 problem i have had was a damaged shifter due to a bad bump i could not avoid and hitting my actuator. Cheap insurance.
    Ps didnt mean to sound like a smart ass either. Just is very good reading.
     

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