Will there be a F12 "HGTE" Announced at Frankfurt in September?

And he's not on it, eh?

SV

 

My local dealer knows that is comming...but they cant recieve any deposits on unannounced cars.
The moment that they can accept a deposit is the moment when the factory gives them confirmed allocations for the car.

Good luck

PS: Im located in south america

 

Can't help but wondering. What was your reaction to the dealer declining the existence of a car, that a lot of people have known about for a long time now? It sounds absolutely ridiculous - I'd be quite cross with the dealer, as I think it's very insulting. Does he think his customers live under rocks, or are too dim to know what's going on? I'm sorry if I'm making it sound worse than it might be, but I just don't understand what he is trying to do.

 

Agree - When I asked mine he said - all sold and Ferrari decided who gets them. BTW: I spoke with two dealers in different countries (one in Europe) and got the exact same story

 

To be fair on the dealer, many of them actually don't know anything. The regular Ferrari salesman is like any other salesman, neither a wizard nor expert. The way to get some info out of a dealer is by knowning the GM or owner.

My dealer hasn't received a single piece of official factory communication on the car - all he's done is submit names for allocations because we've all 'known' for a long time the car is coming.

Many dealers take deposits on unannouced cars, but these contracts can often be in-house - i.e. they are only something between you and the dealer, not between you and the factory.

The dealer in turn guarantees you a car. If the dealer has his wits about, he doesn't hand out deposit contracts to clients he's not 99% certain (you can never be 100% with Ferrari) will receive a special car. Many dealers were operating with deposit contracts on the F12 VS many months before the list of allocations was set.

I don't believe my dealer let's anyone sign on a car he hasn't got a spot for in the factory.

 

Indeed: the chances are their likely allocation (possibly only one or two cars) has already been consumed by the dealer favourites - in which case there is no point to the dealer principal even telling the salesmen about the car hence the standard no announcement/no list/no deposit excuse

 

Pretty much what happened to me when I just missed an LF. Frustrating.

 

Reading tales like these, makes me realize how fortunate I am to have such a good relationship with my dealer. Pretty much know everything that is going on there, good or bad.

 

Exactly the same in all respects with my dealer who has specifically not accepted any deposits. Ironically, he has been reliant on me for information about the car.

 

OK, I can image it will look great! Just for interest: What's the price of the roof in carbon fiber here in Germany? You can write me a PM if you prefer it

 

Has its official name even been confirmed yet?

Also, I don't believe that render is an official Ferrari preview render at all. Its quality is too poor to be something select dealers are showing their best and most qualified buyers.

 

It's a photo taken of a screen from the Atelier in Maranello, that much is obvious.

No it's not something Ferrari have officially sent out, they don't have a tendency to distribute photos of their cars pre-launch.

The consesus on this forum seems to be that the name has yet to be decided...

 

Forgive me but it looks like a screenshot from a computer running Windows 98 in a teenagers bedroom, not the creation of a multi billion dollar company to show off their exciting new model to well heeled and qualified potential customers that may wish to preview and spec their car.

I just don't buy it.

 

That's the Ferrari dealers Configurator.

 

...that needs to be upgraded if true.

 

This is the photo of how the 599 GTO was originally leaked and yes that is what they were distributing at the factory preview at the time........if you ask me the leaked photo of the F12 VS is a massive improvement!
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I suspect it is just a hurried shot off a computer config at the atelier 'stolen' by a customer? No one is claiming it was issued by the company, it is very much not.

 

If you know the tricks in the EU you can drive these cars with relatively no taxes and low insurance costs....

Wow if those leaked renderings are true than that is a disappointment and the lack of collaboration with pininfarina starting to show with increased aesthetic vulgarity.

 

If you've been at a dealer and saw how lagged out the configurator is you'd swear it's running on Windows 95. Not to mention many options aren't even listed on it.

 

For dealerships trying to get customers to buy $3,000 cup holders you would think that the technology they use to show off new cars and specs would be far superior and whoever was creating the renders far more skilled at doing so.

 

They don't need to do any of that to sell......

 

I could understand that if Ferrari sold 20 different models. But there are maybe 5 models..and maybe 1 or 2 new ones per year. They should know everything about them. If they dont, it's either because they dont care to or bc Ferrari doesnt communicate. I dont know which is worse.

 

There is the usual US delay in getting federalized. Once it passes, pricing and allocation amounts become known. It is up to each local dealer how they would like to handle a new car coming.....take deposit in advance, wait for official information, place potential customers on a list, etc.

In the case of rare, limited run cars such as the upcoming F12 GTO/HGTE or whatever it may be called, my local dealer (and sometimes Ferrari) dictate who gets the 2-3 cars headed their way.

 

I agree, but Ferrari is Ferrari. Working with Ferrari from a dealership perspective can very much be a PITA for several reasons. My impression is that communication with the factory is more down to personal relationships between a dealership employee and senior factory employee rather than relying on 'official channels'. I guess this in some way also serves as a factor separating the good dealers from the average dealers.

I suspect in the US it's down to how FNA manage things in their own peculiar ways.

 

I don't know if it is the same as in the UK, but as a generalisation over here, it seems the principle is pay peanuts and get monkeys (and this across most car brands) and salesmen are paid as little as possible as, in Ferrari's case, why do they really need to be any good when most of the product sells itself and we all queue up to buy like we are hypnotised? Taking it one step further, why even have salesmen, strip out the salaries and automate it.

I'm kidding, but that is the impression you get. The buying experience has moved in one direction over the past thirty+ years I have been darkening the doors of my dealer, and it is not upward. I have told my dealer they should employ enthusiasts who love the brand as much as their customers, who understand what a 330GTC or P3 or 312PB are and that they should all be given a history of Ferrari and tested on it before they are qualified to represent the brand. It will never happen.

Sorry to run off topic but given we are all busy smooth talking our 'dealers' to try and get allocated 'product', a reversal of the usual salesmen/client relationship, it seemed relevant.

It sounds like you have it much worse in the U.S. From what I hear.