2015 FORMULA 1 BRITISH GRAND PRIX: QUALIFYING ***SPOILERS***

What did I say to pizz you off?

 

Given the physical level F1 is on now, I doubt that anyone will ever again be able to compete for the championship at 30+ years, with the exception of vastly superior cars (Button anyone?).

 

Old age and cunning > youth and exuberance.



And get off my GD lawn!

 

No!... I'm pretty sure his angst was aimed at a previous post, on the ignore list here, not yours!

Cheers,
Ian

 

Crossfire, caught in the?

 

If I start throwing out opinions on why Schumacher shouldn't be at the top of the list or why he is not the greatest polesitter then yes it has ZERO value. Your opinion or my opinion is not going to change the polesitter list. The only person that can change that list is a driver that gets more than 68.

 

+1

And, at least partly, the reason we have the huge rule book we do now.......

Cheers,
Ian

 

Nothing Viz, it was not aimed at you, but now i am "pizzed" that you thougt it was

 

I am old and confuse easily.

 

WEll, today i'm home alone..(wife and kids at the beach) in order to catch up with work...you don't work much with a 2 months youngster at home!!! So i'm feeling more awake than usual today....

 

And, at least partly, the reason we have the huge rule book we do now.......

Cheers,
Ian[/QUOTE]

Yap, he wrote the book of how to go around the rules...he was the Newey/Brawn of his days....a true genious.....
Damn, gotta leave you guys, was going to stay working till late while keepin an eye on f.1 section but just got undermined by a call from the owner of this lovely place

Torre de Gomariz Wine & SPA Hotel ***** - Hotel Torre de Gomariz - Cervães, Vila Verde

inviting me for some coffee, you can almost see my house from the first picture....see you guys tomorrow, cheers

 

Pedro, you should get yourself invited for his wine and spa, not for a simple coffee

 

Seb has had more time in a top car than Hamilton has. Even though Hamilton started in a top car Seb has had more opportunities in his career thus far. Even when the mclaren was only second or third best ham stuck it on pole many many times. He's definitely a better qualifier than Vettel.

Senna is undoubtedly the best qualifier of all time and will probably remain so. Lewis is probably just as quick as Michael (at qualifying not in races) but hasn't been in a top car long enough for the statistic to show.

Yeah. Senna still has maybe 6-7 more race starts than Hamilton. But his pole
Number is insane which is why he's the best qualifier of all time. He has a decent number of races to show the consistency and did so against good competition.

Stats are good at first glance but there is always more to it. Rosberg won Monaco this year but he was not the best driver of the day as the stats may reflect.

 

Huh? Are you assuming I'm minimizing Hamilton? (I am a Hamilton fan, for the record)

Facts are facts...nobody's arguing otherwise. In context, though, one would think Senna had a very long career in F1, but really he did most of his damage during a 6 year period. How one can have no appreciation for that is beyond me. That, in and of itself, is an amazing achievement...much like Jim Clark's, who almost never started below P2.

This does not detract from the achievements of other drivers on "the list", but I wish you were around in the 80's/90's to appreciate what others witnessed during the growth stage of F1. It's similar to those who do not understand or acknowledge how great/important Larry Bird and Magic Johnson were to making the NBA what it is today. The sport did not start with Kobe and Lebron...or Jordan.

 

Aargh! How do you even stay awake to watch the races? Those days are in my rear-view mirror now...while 2 month old babies are cute, the total dependence does a number on you.

 

It's our only true measure. What would records look like if we went by people's opinions?
These drivers drove different cars in different eras. We can't even agree on who is better when teammates drive identical cars (Vettel vs Ricciardo in 2014). How is it going to work when comparing Senna, Fangio, Clark, Schumacher, Hamilton, Alonso, Vettel?

Someone mentioned that Senna didn't have the luxury of starting with a fast car. I think that is an advantage and not a disadvantage. Who is more likely to squeeze poles out of a fast car? Will it be the rookie or a driver with 1-2 seasons under his belt?

 

Well if you start off in a bad car you have no chance of getting pole and it still affects your overall pole percentage. So it is an advantage starting in a quick car, even if you are inexperienced, you will still snag some poles (and in Senna's case he probably would have walked all over his team mate as a Rookie). I mean Hamilton was great as a rookie. Most great drivers are.


All I wanna say is that it was much easier to win a championship with 10 races in a season. Fangios 5 championships is really only equivalent to 2.5 in todays terms.

 

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Thanks for the quote.
I was rethinking my ignore list. Now I don't have to.

 

That's not what I meant. Obviously the more years in a fast car the better. However, having a fast car and a slow car is part of the game. You will not always have the fastest car throughout your career.
If you competed in only 6 season a 3 (50%) of those were in a championship car you will probably get much better results in 4-6 than 1-3.

 

I'm back....still ate a nice cheesecake

 

No you weren't

 

That post from Toil about Fangio should be awarded "post of the year" in a bad way of course!!!

Ps: Toil, fangio's 1957 victory at the nurburgring is worth more than Hamilton's entire career.

 

Hamilton may or may not be as great a driver as Moss or Fangio but no driver competing in the modern age can be considered "Heroic".

 

BS