Will there be a F12 "HGTE" Announced at Frankfurt in September?

My dealer told me that they prefer famous individuals that can represent the brand. So if you are a movie star for example, even your previous was 458, your chance should be good. So it's either huge $$$ or being famous.
But that's about LaF, which very limited. Now we are talking about F12 GTO, which is one level below LaF.

 

- but similarly scarce.

 

On a side note, just noticed Ferrari has taken out a trademark on a "Ferrari Gearbox" logo. Could this have any relation to the rumours that the F12 VS receives a new gearbox?

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I know it sounds strange…My dealer is excellent, the best I ever dealt with. They just didn't get as many cars as they needed (and I suspect less than 458SA).

I also agree that the rules are very subjective. I know several LaF owners who never owned another limited edition, nor did they spend any money on XX or F1 Clienti. I had most limited editions and did not get a LaF either...WHO owns the car is much more important than WHAT Ferraris they own.
It is a smart strategy for Ferrari and it creates new customers (Ferrari should have a broad base, it is not a cult), but obviously doesn't help me. The problem is that it is a strategy that only works in a bull market where people buy cars because they are fashionable and can be sold for a profit. In Switzerland you can't get a limited edition, but the "normal" cars are easy to get, waiting lists are short and the used market is very cheap. This tells me that the underlying market is soft and the interest is only in "investments"...In a bear market (which I assure you is on its way) Ferrari will need buyers who buy cars because they love them. I just hope they're still there when that happens

 

Why do you say that?

 

Well said

 

Thx 4 posting - But it does look strange ?
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My understanding from the rumours on this thread is that they will be making more units of the F12 "GTO"/lightweight, than the 458 Speciale Aperta, which I presume extrapolates into more units for your dealer so I am surprised given your history of purchasing they said they did not get enough allocation. As an aside my dealer is referring to the car as the F12 lightweight, so I am not sure what that means in terms of an official name. Does anyone here have any information on the real production numbers? My dealer thinks it could possibly as low as 449 may then explain why your dealer said he did not get enough allocation to help you.

 

Well said.

Interesting to hear about your dealer. With in mind that CH has some of the best dealer (and in turn customer base) networks worldwide, if a Swiss dealer didn't receive the allocations they needed - where did those cars go? I wonder... Seems like even though production numbers are going up, the cars are only getting harder to obtain. In all honesty, how hard was it really to get your hands on a 599 GTO?

 

I was told that 650/660 was the number based on original allocations.......I believe that number will increase based on demand. The factory shot themselves in the foot when they limited the the build on the Aperta. It wasn't till after the fact it became very clear that they could have sold at least double that. I am not convinced that the final build number for the F12 VS will remain at 650 units and could end up being almost double that number by the end of production. The profitability and demand for the car is just too high to ignore.

 

There has been no indication from any prominent source that the production figure will be that low (449).

+1 Agreed.

 

My dealer is of the impression that it will be 799 units. As is always the case, initial first round allocations to dealers have been made by the factory. There will be a secondary allocation based on individual dealer standings and favour at the factory during which time they manage to squeeze a few more units out.

 

Is anyone attending the unveiling at Pebble Beach?

 

Getting a 599GTO was very easy. I know the allocations of most Swiss dealers. Unless they are not telling me the truth, they got 30% less cars than the 430 Speciale Aperta...No idea where the cars went, I am still hoping they find one for me!!! I also hear 700-800 cars to be produced, so I can only hope they are holding some back for later

Just to be clear, because some people questioned my phrase on "bear market"...We are currently in the biggest bull market ever! What I am saying is that the price path of rare cars, mirrors that of rare art, property in top cities, high yield bonds, A-shares (until a few weeks ago!) and anything else that could yield a return in a world flush with liquidity and zero interest rates. At the same time, securities markets have never been more illiquid and leverage has increased substantially. When the time comes to sell it will be a huge crowd and a tiny exit.
As for the growth of new markets and new billionaires -although there is truth in the claim- I heard exactly the same comments when people were trying to sell Testarossas for half a million pounds in 1990-1...We all know how that ended

 

I hear what you are saying and I'm not saying no but the early 90's was a very very different economic dynamic.

 

Are the invites out yet? Dealer sent in the names but still haven't received the invite.

 

There are a few things to consider here

Marchionne is on record as being critical of keeping production too low. I believe he felt if they could have sold another 100 or 200 LaF then they should have - or charged a lot more.

The world is in a very different space today. Ferrari didn't easily sell 599 models of the GTO in 2010/2011. At that time the price was very high. If I recall about 50% more than the standard 599. Today even 800-1000 is pretty limited because demand is greater. Porsche actually sold 918 models of the 918. Who would have believed. The F40 is still trading at very high prices and there are over 1,300. So I can't understand why Ferrari would limit this special edition too much.

 

The message is a bit confusing on numbers. My dealer in one location got 4 apertas and 1 F12 VS and the dealer in the other got 2 apertas and 5 or 6 F12 VS. So hard to figure out numbers or how the allocations are working.

 

My dealer, largest UK dealer I think, was allocated 6 LFs and 8 'GTO's'. That suggests a run of 650 were that to be spread across the dealerships. They put forward well over 20 names.

 

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Mister Maranello, just wondering if you are agreeing that production could exceed 1200 units?

 

i was told in Maranello from Ferrari officials Production Number will be < 750 Units. Best e


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Which approximately corresponds with my dealers allocation.

 

Got a feeling the F12VS production will be spread over 2 model years and there will be a second round of allocations - maybe ??

 

I hope your feeling would be wrong...
2 years and more than 700 makes the car less special.

 

Why? Do you have something to base that on or just speculation. Some said that about the SA. Also clients have already been told less than 750 so difficult to move much from that now.