Drove the 488 today.. thoughts, photos and videos

You had better get the factory on the phone and warn them they are wasting their time.....

 

These numbers caused me to do a little investigation of my own....

When I read this post I thought "hey wait, there's no way, mirror to mirror, the 458 is narrower than the P1." Ferrari's number must be excluding the mirrors while McLaren's number must include the mirrors. So I went down to my garage and did my own rough mirrror-to-mirror measurements. I started by verifying the P1 number which looked correct to me. Then I set the tape at 84", aligned it to the passenger-side mirror of the 458, took a picture, looked to confirm it was wider than the P1 and took a picture to show the difference. Then I realigned the zero mark to the driver-side mirror and took the measurement you see on the right-hand side of the 458 picture. The 458 turns out to be roughly 5 inches wider than the P1 when measured mirror-to-mirror. Here's a summary:

As expected, the McLaren P1 number is accurate. It measures roughly 84" from mirror to mirror. I checked McLaren's press guide and it claims a width of 76.6" without mirrors which is pretty close to the 458 number. With mirrors McLaren claims 84.4" which looks right to me.

As expected, the Ferrari number is without mirrors. The 458 Spider measures roughly 89.5" from mirror to mirror. I checked Ferrari's website and the claimed width for the Spider is 76.3 so this isn't a spider vs. coupe thing. But Ferrari doesn't list the number with mirrors.

Just for fun I measured these two as well:

McLaren 650S Spider measures roughly 82" from mirror to mirror.

Ferrari FF measure roughly 84" from mirror to mirror.

Below are the pictures. Yes I know, I need to use that broom for something other than just measuring mirrors

BTW, Lamborghini See: LP 700-4 specifications says the Aventador is 89.17 including mirrors. So it looks like mirror-to-mirror the 458 and the Aventador really aren't that different despite the Aventador's body being 3.5" wider.

Porsche claims the 918 is 80.8 "with external mirrors", 76.4 without.
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Now that's how you settle an argument! Lol!

 

Haven't all the LaFerrari's been sold? Besides wasn't that car an "Invite Only" from Ferarri like they do for their most exclusive offerings? Correct me if I'm wrong!

 

Mark could you do me a favour and measure the width of the 458 with the mirrors folded in? Love to know the width of the car in that spec. This due to a small garage entrance at my home and the preference for a 458.

 

No doubt. Love it. Screw Google...."I will go measure the cars that are IN MY GARAGE and give you the real info." Too effing funny. Only on F-Chat!

 

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You do realise that the LaFerrari and the 918 don' t have turbos and thus turbo lag, don' t you?

 

Because these were pre-production cars, or so I have been told.

 

Ferrari say that the V12s will remain N/A mate. I believe that it can be done.

 

Seems like my typical weekend project .

 

Totally agree, life would be very boring if we all drove the same car even if it's a 458, 488 or a 250 GTO. Buy what you love and keep smiling.

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Did it. The 458 measures to roughly 81" with the mirrors folded.

 

I don't think 458 spider is 89.5". I drive almost every day the W222 and 458 spider, according to Mercedes' manual book, W222 is 83.5". It feels much wider than 458 spider.

 

I believe Mark's measurement are correct.

When I built my garage I made sure all of the doors were 262cm wide. This was because the 458 was the widest car I have at 227cm. With a 250cm opening the car only had 11 cm on each side of the mirror which was too tight and I didn't want to be folding mirrors.

With 262 cm there was 17,5 camper side and more comfortable.

227cm width on the 458 is 89,4 Inches.

 

Thanks!

 

Which means the "governmental restrictions and regulations" reason to move to turbo over N/A is pure BS. Its a lot easier to get an 8 cylinder car to meet pollution and mileage regulations than a 12.

 

Trust me, V12 is going turbo.

 

I think you're correct. But if it doesn't, it shows the current excuse is BS. That's my point.

 

It's no excuse! Ferrari make 7,000 cars annually. About 500 are FF and about 1,000-1,500 are F12. Means that over 5,000 are V8s. If you have to manage whole fleet co2 to a target, guess which one takes priority.

Doesn't necessarily mean they won't do a V12 twin turbo but also doesn't necessarily mean they will. Their own heavy hinting is to use the hybrid route for V12, and why not? There is already room to take the V12 price point up, V12 is the 'real' Ferrari layout (so they may consider it is more important to keep n/a) and they have already been experimenting with KERS etc. on the LaFerrari - need to find an outlet for all that accumulated knowledge. Plus co2 with hybrid is more likely to be better than with turbo, with the halo positioning and lower volume production meaning that achieving lower co2 with lower cost does not have the same imperative as with the V8 line.

 

No, it means that the V12s are a fraction of the production and they can remain NA as they don't influence the average that much. They can also be hybridised as they are more expensive and upmarket.

 

This coming from you, I fret that you know something we don't...

 

Trust me, Ferrari won't last 2 models with turbo. Next will be NA hybrid.

 

My suspicion is that V8 will also go hybrid. Turbo is the stop gap.

 

That would be phenomenal!

I was told by a reliable source the FF is going twin turbo V8