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  1. Countachqv

    Countachqv Formula 3

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    Now what i really want to know is which one of these 3 owners dared to put 2800 miles on that car! lol...
     
  2. roytoy2003

    roytoy2003 F1 Veteran

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    Well, me, as the "Third Owner" has only been able to add 4 or so miles to it since I purchased it. but boy were they a great 4 miles..
     
  3. joe sackey

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  4. jollygood

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    Well, it can't be sold for use in California according to the updated auction website.
    Could that affect the value?


    Chassis: ZA9C005A0KLA12973
    *Please note this vehicle will not be sold for use or resale in California or to a non-dealer California resident.

    1989 Lamborghini Countach 25th Anniversary Edition | Gooding & Company
     
  5. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ
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    Just from a very quick glance of the small images provided, I note the following:

    - Dashboard instrument binnacle is extremely warped/deformed
    - Radio is non-original
    - Dashboard top-side leather has shrunk and pulled up
    - Engine cam-covers are painted a non-original red
     
  6. joe sackey

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    #456 joe sackey, Jul 24, 2015
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    Jollygood I'm not sure you've posted this one yet?

    Mecum Monterey 2015 as Lot No. S133.

    2,207 miles (3,553 kilometers)

    Nero with Nero.

    This car was purchased new by Dick Solove who owned it till he died at age 85. He was a great man, neighbor of a major Ferrari collector client of mine. FWIW Solove, was a property tycoon who built apartments and shopping centers throughout the Midwest, but he is best known for his advocacy and philanthropy in the fight against cancer. He also had a rare collection of pre-World War I Rolls-Royces automobiles which he donated to the cause. The New York Times, Wall Street Journal and NBC's Today show ran stories about the largest auto donation in U.S. history, 15 vehicles that raised $14.3 million for the hospital and research institute. He collected the cars over 34 years and garaged them at a second home in Naples, Fla, where this Countach was also kept.

    I can't find the car on the Mecum site but I see it here 1989 Lamborghini Countach for sale in Walworth, WI

    I just wanted to post the owner's story, I probably know more than the auctioneers in that regard. Anway, no affiliation, just sharing.
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  7. jollygood

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    #457 jollygood, Jul 24, 2015
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    Below is link to Mecum's website:
    VIN: ZA9CA05A4KLA12711
    ESTIMATE: $400,000 - $450,000

    This nicely menacing all-Black example has covered just 3,553 kilometers, or 2,207 miles, since new. A one-family-owned car until 2015, it has been meticulously maintained without regard for expense and presents in better-than-new condition, with exquisite Black paint and a virtually flawless leather cockpit. In 2013 the engine and transmission were removed for a complete rebuild and reseal, and the brakes and fuel system overhauled, the total investment surpassing $26,000. Slight front-end collision damage was also seamlessly repaired to an exceptionally high standard that is in keeping with the rest of the car. Recently, 200 hours of lavish detailing was performed on this exceptional 25th Anniversary Countach, whose superlative history, exceptionally low mileage and single-family ownership recommend it as an exceedingly desirable example of the iconic supercar from Sant‘Agata.

    HIGHLIGHTS

    - 3,553 kilometers since new
    - Purchased new by Richard J. Solove
    - One family owned until 2015
    - 455 HP V-12 engine
    - 5-speed transmission
    - Black with Black leather interior
    - Extensive service in 2013 at F1 Imports and Exotics in Naples, Florida
    - Service records
    - Original owner's manual
    - Original tool kit


    https://www.mecum.com/lot-detail/CA0815-219954/0/1989-Lamborghini-Countach/5-Speed/
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  8. joe sackey

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    Thanks!

    Pictures and/or invoices of that repaired front-end damage will be useful, and I note the manifolds are painted to non-original finish on this car also (an easy correction).
     
  9. Countachqv

    Countachqv Formula 3

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    crazy disclosure!! Even if I complain a lot about Connecticut rules, I should consider myself lucky then. No wonder that cars dont get driven over there. What are people doing with their DD in California? clearly they cant be driven.
     
  10. joe sackey

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    Patrick this is nothing new in California, there is an obligation to give said disclosure in California, we've seen it for decades @ auctions.

    People who have a non-conforming car in California, either bring it into compliance to use it, or, register it out-of-state and subject it to the laws governing how much time the car can spend here without being California-registered. Others have homes in various parts of the country and simply keep the car in a state where it is legal for use when they are there.

    Point is, a DD can be used legally by someone who is a California resident, although not as easily as in your state.
     
  11. Minotaur

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    I have spoken to two of the best known Lamborghini shops in the US regarding very fine cracks that appear on Countachs of this vintage. My car is an 88. Apparently, the primer they used, was not of a great quality and it shrinks over time. This causes a deterioration of the top coat of lacquer manifesting as fine hair line cracks. I have a 1985 308 gtsi Ferrari with the same number of miles (10K). It is a near perfect double concourse winner. The paint on the Ferrari shows none of the cracking that the Lamborghini suffers from despite being three years older. I suspect, as evidenced by the two cars side by side that Ferrari's paint finish was done to a higher standard. Perhaps it was indeed due to better primer or preliminary paint prep. The topcoat on the Countach appears to have been expertly done. It is obvious, upon inspection, that the build quality was much more refined in the Ferrari. Incidentally, both cars have spent their indoor lives at 70 degrees year round since new. The repaint does not surprise me at all. (This of course presumes that the car was not damaged and therefore had to be repainted to complete a repair.) As a general question. How long SHOULD we expect a paint job to last? Most restorations are considered aging at best by the quarter century mark. Countachs have aluminum bodies and space frames. They flex and they get really hot and then get cold. I am surprised the paint lasted this long.
    Minotaur
     
  12. 300GW/RO

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    Anyone hazard a guess as to WHY cars become 'smog exempt' after 25 yrs.? What is the thought process (rationale) behind this? Why 25 yrs?, car will still pollute the same over any time span. Idea is that parts become scarce and a smog fix cannot be done? We all understand this time expiration......but what is the why? Thanks

    Jack
     
  13. 375+

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    Government at work, no rhyme or reason.
     
  14. rhyno

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    Joe, Do I see Sport seats??? This should be noted and add some value!!!
    I just love my sport seats :)
     
  15. Ellagirl

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    I think the reason is simply,most 25 year old cars are gone,done and out of commision,saves everybody monyey hassle, incl the goverment, the few roadworthy cars left, is no longer a such a big hazard the enviroment.
     
  16. jollygood

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    There is no 25 year smog exemption rule in California.
     
  17. jollygood

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  18. rhyno

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    so about $192,500 for the LM002 after commision
     
  19. jollygood

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    #469 jollygood, Jul 25, 2015
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    Where do you see sport seats?
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  20. joe sackey

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    #470 joe sackey, Jul 25, 2015
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    Agreed, 25th sports seats (below) are really good. But they are super-rare on a USA 25th, as Jollygood points out, the ex-Solove Annivesario has standard seats.
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  21. joe sackey

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    Correct, IIRC correctly S.B. 2786 currently requires all vehicles built after 1975 to submit to a smog inspection.
     
  22. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ
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    If its any consolation, most Countachs I encounter have been repainted at this point, especially the earlier cars.
     
  23. vaholtorf

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    Well that shows the LM market is still healthy, as imo that is a very good result for a truck with some miles (and associated wear and tear), with the non-standard two-tone paint scheme, with the missing rear seats in the bed, and with the pull-out trunk missing in action. Looks like it was a well used truck, ready for some more good use! Nice to see a good result for a nice, driver-quality truck.
     
  24. joe sackey

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    That's an amazing result for that truck, I was going to comment on the two-tone paint scheme and glad you did!
     
  25. rhyno

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    I saw the large side bolster and thought they might be sport seats. They didn't post any full seat pictures so it's hard to tell!
     

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