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Discussion in 'Creative Arts' started by jm2, Oct 19, 2012.

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  1. Jeff Kennedy

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    Is this another one waiting until the IPO?

    By the time the decision is made the designers will have try remembering what they did fr the interviews.
     
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    My personal choice for most beautiful car ever built is coming to auction at Gooding this August; the 1962 Ferrari 250GT SWB berlinetta special by Giugiiaro.

    1962 Ferrari 250 GT SWB Berlinetta Speciale | Gooding & Company

    -even if I've sold the 330 by then, I don't think I can stretch the budget quite that far! LOL
     
  3. jm2

    jm2 F1 World Champ Lifetime Rossa Owner

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    could be 'internal issues'
    also we were told one of the other schools was having a problem.....whatever that means
     
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    jm2 F1 World Champ Lifetime Rossa Owner

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    lovely car.........but not MY choice as MOST beautiful..ever..
    too may to choose just one! :)
     
  5. Jeff Kennedy

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    Hey, CCS could have done more if allowed additional time too! Damaged/lost in transit is maybe the only excusable delay.

    Jeff
     
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    jm2 F1 World Champ Lifetime Rossa Owner

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    indeed, I would have liked a little more refinement time
    but in this business, there is never enough time
     
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    I didn't realize Fiskar was alive again. Last I knew was that Lutz was part of a group putting real powerplants in them.
     
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    I was surprised he went back to Fiskar.
    Lutz was converting them with GM engines
     
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    Yeah, I would think that is a risky move. I know quite a few people who left Honda and Hyundai and Toyota to go there. I think they are all getting stock options, they think it will be the next Tesla. I think the company should start over. It is a sexy 4 door sedan showcar but it's packaging is horrible and it looks like a kit car on the street. Years ago in Monterey, it was the first year that Fiskar had a tent at Concourso Italiano, long before production (it is getting very old) he had the sedan and a convertible and my wife asked if he (Fiskar) had wanted to be a Corvette designer. It was hilarious.
     
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    They found a bored Chinese billionaire who wants to 'invest' in a green card admission for his son to the US....
     
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    I still like the 2nd gen Escalades and have been looking for another as a DD.

    While I prefer black or charcoal, I just missed this one today:
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    Nice Suburban...
     
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    I always found the 2nd generation Escalade to be a body that tried to graft Cadillac hard edges to a design that had a softer language. My suspicion is that GM did not realize how successful the Escalade line would be so only allowed a minimal level for unique tooling.

    Maybe John can weigh in with the inside design politics on what happened with the Escalade.

    Jeff
     
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    The Suburban is too long. This Escalade fits my needs perfectly as a SUV (power, speed, ride, towing, hauling, comfort, etc.).

    The Cadillac Escalade ESV is comparable, size-wise, to a Suburban.

    And before you say "Tahoe", the Escalade has the "Cadillac Ride" and other enhancements (e.g. more power) that weren't offered on the other platforms of this generation (Chevy and GMC). :)
     
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    I'm interested in this as well.

    I like the subtitle curve in the bodyline and feel that the current model is too hard-edged.
     
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    long story, but the edited version is something like this:
    for years, Ron Zarella said Cadillac would NEVER build a truck/SUV.
    One day reality reared it's ugly head, and everyone was looking at each other scratching their proverbial heads saying "how can we enter this lucrative market with a Cadillac entry?"
    Lo and behold a quick look at GMC, and the decision for a short term solution was to convert the GMC to a Cadillac with upgraded interior and an exterior fix.
    The truck studio did a great job as a stopgap measure until a new Escalade could reach fruition on the all new body
    The rest is history as they say
     
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    Yes, lots of public proclamations about no Cadillac SUV - GMC would be the GM solution for that. All the way until the Lincoln Navigator was making monster sales volume with monster profits.

    Series 1 Escalade was a nose cap and interior spiffs to a Denali. The Series 2 is what I am interested in. To me it got more unique parts but, my suspicion, is that the underlying vehicle had progressed too far to get the side body skins. I see that the fenders got sharper forms that then had to transition to rounder forms for the shoulders at the base of the windows.

    My premise is that only in Series 3 did they get the Escalade in development as part of the overall vehicle development.

    Jeff
     
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    There was a Cadillac in the plan for the Series II. They had to share the basic body surfaces with Chev?GMC however.
    Overall, I thought it was a successful design. Even though it didn't have the signature Art & Science Design vocabulary, the fascias were able to pull it off with the amazing interior.
     
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    Fitting since he de-camped from Detroit because American design was all wrong. He and Wayne Cherry both shared that opinion. In J.'s case a truly gifted VP of Design was pushed out to make way for him.

    Amazing that since he was brought in by Jack Nasser that he survived so long. Mind boggling to say the least.

    Notice the entire "announcement" skipped over the fact that he graduated from Art Center first.

    Anyone else familiar with the rumors on why he left VW so quickly?

    Jeff
     
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    I know 60 years ago Harley Earl, master of All He Surveyed, would command "Ship that Motorama F88 to my house and it would be done. Decades later GM would put up a concept for sale to in-house employees (Pontiac Banshee) but I am curious about a more recent one--the SD290, a Solstice convertible with a racing windscreen instead of a windshield and the passenger side covered a a D-type racing Jag. Is that sitting in some GM employee's private garage? And if it is--what did the Corp. dump it for? It was a SEMA concept car...had the misfortune of being a Concept for a Division that sank
     
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    I fiddled with it adding six pipes per side of the front wings a la Spitfire with Merlin V-12. I haven't learned how to post pictures but if someone shoots me a regular e-mail address I can e-mail it if you'll post it. I did it so at the RR party at Pebble I can tell the story of the lady who saved the engine, and thus England
     

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