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Countach, the ultimate supercar

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  1. hyenahf

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    Funny a trained professional can spot a 5mm change on a belt line on a full scale clay standing 10 meters away. Now if you can't see what 5inches does to a car than I'm afraid we can't help you. :)
     
  2. joe sackey

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    Great illustration of the effects of different lighting on the same color.
     
  3. joe sackey

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    I actually think the LP500 'looks' bigger than the LP400, but the bottom line is they are essentially the same.
     
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    Great images, thanks!
     
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    Then it was a S3.
     
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    I think you should read this thread in its entirety, you're a little late to this discussion, and believe me its been debated ad nauseum to pretty straightforward conclusion. The received wisdom on this topic is fairly well established, along with side-by-side comparos of multiple variants measured & photographed.
     
  7. joe sackey

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    True.

    The car community routinely invents monikers by which to identify certain variants, and this happens universally with every make of automobile imaginable.
     
  8. hyenahf

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    If I'm not mistaken, isn't this a 180 degree flip of your suggestion that Gary painted bertone miura roadster the incorrect color a few years ago based on period photos? :)

    Glad to see you come around on recognizing on how reflective lighting has on hue effects. Yes lighting plays a huge role, automotive colors are evaluated in-house under special lamps to mimic difference in sky tone. The same car under the London sky will look astonishingly different in LA.

    What's underneath plays a significant role too, the material being sprayed will react different as well as the color or primer. All these must be factored in to get the desired effect
     
  9. hyenahf

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    Thanks for the tip. Perhaps this weekend I can this to the reading list. First I need to find out what nauseum means..!
     
  10. joe sackey

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    Not at all.

    I simply believe the current color is a much stronger/deeper/darker rendition of the original, and, I'm not alone in that opinion.
     
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    Ad nauseam is a Latin term for a discussion that has continued so long that it has continued "to [the point of] nausea".
     
  12. hyenahf

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    I agree with you if I was to judge the color by looking at the period photos, but how many of us saw even the car in the flesh or remember it before it was painted green 45 odd years ago?

    The point is the opinions I reckon were based solely on photographs or memory. Gary based current color on the original sample taken from the original bertone paint job without the lighting effects of photographs. I'm not sure you can get more original then that or how you can banter an debate.

    If your camp thinks it's too saturated now it's a good chance the original is even more so based on the nature of decades old fading paint.

    I had a hunch that's what it meant....
     
  13. geno berns

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    #21638 geno berns, Aug 5, 2015
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    Lamborghini I don't believe has Luci Del Bosco available on their selection list of colors, but recently when Mr. Winkelmann looked at this newly gorgeous Miura SV he so inspired that he promised the owner a sold-out Aventador SV in that color.


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  14. joe sackey

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    Lamborghini is a bespoke automotive atelier (so to speak) and they will do any color you like, its simply a question of money.
     
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    Right it's always an option to pay up and get a paint to sample or a color from the by gone era...

     
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    When 5100 was made LDB was a standard color as has been pointed out here by someone else.
     
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    A preserved paint-sample is always valuable. I was shown a sample of the the Miura Roadster's original paint, and IMHO the final result was richer in terms of both hue and metal-flake. Gorgeous, but richer.

    As regards period images, I think they hold a very valuable reference-point, especially if you have color-slides that have not faded, and a substantial quantity of images to reference the same subject from. Its easy to account for fade simply by viewing the current representation of primary colors - red, yellow & blue. There are many archives from the 60s & 70s that are perfectly preserved.
     
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    are you saying thats #5100 ?
    reason I ask is that every other source suggests its being rebuilt to its SVJ spec, and that one
    shown has no brake ducts etc
     
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    Nick, PM sent.
     
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    Supposedly the SVJ story is incorrect. The owner received a confirmation of that from the factory.


     
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    #21647 joe sackey, Aug 6, 2015
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    As fascinating as this topic may be, may I respectfully suggest that those interested in debating it do so in the Miura thread so as to spare the Countach thread from going completely off-topic!

    Back on topic, here is 1120210 again, this time looking much darker.
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    I tried selecting photos of the car that appeared to be taken from a distance in order to reduce perspective distortion, so I'm well aware of this, hence "unscientific". Feel free to provide better photos. I'm not "taking any side" in this matter, I'm simply trying to provide information.

    I did the same exercise based on wheelbase (2450 mm), and ended up with the same wheel measurements (0.1 inch accuracy) in all except the B/W photo - here the rim diameter was calculated to be 15.6 inches. I haven't uploaded these photos, as I don't wish to waste my file upload space.

    The Geneva 1971 press release gives these measurements:

    4100 mm L
    1850 mm W
    1040 mm H
    2450 mm WB
     
  24. Nuvolari

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    At Concorso and in and around Pebble in a little over a week keep an eye out for my friend George from Canada who will be around in his 5000S Countach that is freshly (and may I say VERY well restored). Red on black with wing this car was long hidden for ages and George did a great job restoring it and this will be its first public appearance. Sorry but I do not know the VIN.
     
  25. hyenahf

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    #21650 hyenahf, Aug 6, 2015
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    I have no issues whether they are valuable or not. The problem with the color slide is no matter what the quality its is is that it will ALWAYS be affected by the subjects surroundings i.e , clouds, sky tone, ground tone or photographic studio,reflective element etc... or simply the time of day. This holds true if you take the picture today or 40 years ago.

    No matter how u spin it the proper way to color match is to paint a range of swatches on the same material, place them next to original in the same enviroment then evaluate. I believe this is what any quality restoration house would do.

    You said you saw the sample and its lighter, which may very well be the case. At the core of all of this what I vehemently disagree with you is you are saying is more accurate to match the color photos (let's take 40yr equation out of it) than the actual sample in hand.

    I must say you are persistent at this... :)

    Ps for the record they moved beyond years ago from RGB to CMYK for more color accuracy !
     

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