Will there be a F12 "HGTE" Announced at Frankfurt in September?

The requirements for Side marker in the EU is different from that States. I assume the EU versions of most cars omit them because it is easier to omit them (they are not required to be fitted in the EU) than make them comply with the different regs if they are fitted?

From Wikipedia

In the US, amber front and red rear side marker lamps and retroreflectors are required. The law initially required lights or retroreflectors on vehicles made after 1 January 1968. This was amended to require lights and retroreflectors on vehicles made after 1 January 1970.[37] These side-facing devices make the vehicle's presence, position and direction of travel clearly visible from oblique angles.[37] The lights are wired so as to illuminate whenever the vehicles' parking and taillamps are on, including when the headlamps are being used.[7] Front amber side markers in the United States may be wired so as to flash in synchronous phase or opposite-phase with the turn signals, but are not required to flash at all.[38] Side markers are permitted but not required on cars and light passenger vehicles outside the US and Canada. If installed, they are required to be brighter and visible through a larger horizontal angle than US side markers, may flash only in synchronous phase with the turn signals (but are not required to flash), and they must be amber at the front and rear, except rear side markers may be red if they are grouped, combined, or reciprocally incorporated with another rear lighting function that is required to be red.[18]

 

As the 599 styling is thick/tall thru the quarters and rear, maybe Ferrari wanted to try something different with the F12, and the black "GTO" stripe serves to slim the rear view even further, design-wise?

Since the stripe is in CF, perhaps it will be possible for customers to have the CF in body color to minimize this detail, if preferred.

 

The exhaust is incompatible because the exhaust manifolds are a different shape, and line up at different points to the rest of the exhaust.

Ferrari would accomplish nothing by changing the frame from GTB to XX/GTO, except gain a massive headache, huge extra costs regarding legislation/crash testing et all.

If you pull all body panels off, take the interiors out I'm 100% convinced you will not see a different between the GTB and GTO frame.

 

Interesting details especially regarding the use of amber and red side marker lights to show direction.
Typically Ferrari's first prototypes are the EU show version before they build any cars for the North American market.

 

Don't see how as the entire panel is carbon. Well actually maybe I do but at a price, something truly special.

 

From what I can see from the rear pic the actual car is much better looking and more sculptural than this rendering would indicate. One just has to look at the relationship between the rear haunches and the rear lights. In the photo of the rear of the actual car one can see the lights are definitely lower than the 3 vents in the rear haunches. That is not apparent in the rendering. Also the work on the rear window in not visible in the rendering.

From the limited information available the car looks to be much more sculptural - which is great to see. I was never a fan on the F12 rear treatment.

 

Are my eyes or computer bust or has that rear end shot been taken down??

 

It seems that it has been taken down, but it is still up in the F12 GTO thread.....

 

You just said exactly what is in my mind and heart. Thank you

 

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Who took it down?

The more I look at this shot, the more excited I get about this car. Looking at this, how they cannot call it GTO, I simply don't know.

 

Hot looking Ferrari

 

Looks fantastic! Congrats to the buyers! Can't wait to see some fchat cars!

 

SWB sounds great as well!!!

 

Rear window seems different from an "ordinary" F12?
Can't help being impatient to see it completely

 

It does seem to have even more of the design equities, and stance, of the original GTO than did the 599 variant. And may separate itself further still from the base car technically/dynamically? Though figure they can likely call it as they like (LaF12?) and folks'll line right up!

 

I actually think the f12 special looks "more different" to the base car than the 599 GTO.

Unlike the 599 GTO the rear fenders and rear window is significantly different . In general not only are more body panels different but the differences seem more significant to me. Sure the 599 GTO has a different hood.. But it is only slightly different.

Now underneath I just can't tell at all and have no info.

 

I agree with you this car looks very special and therefore would be deserving of a special badge. But I don't think it's going to be GTO. This is just my own take but, if this is really a production car we see, then it most likely will not be a GTO. The 288 GTO and the 599 GTO sport black Cavallino Rampante. This car does not.

Of course, they can always change the rules… but this car shows a small silver one. And a black one wouldn't work very well against the CF strip area.

As I understand there reason for the black Cavallino on the 288 and then the 599 is due to Mr. Enzo Ferrari's influence. Apparently, when the 288 was about to break cover, Mr. Enzo Ferrari was feuding with the Fiat overlords. Fiat wanted them to do an even larger and brighter Cavallino. So at the last minute, Enzo Ferrari snuck in and he did a small black one! The rest is history… so it seems to me, no black CR = not likely its going to be called GTO.

 

I agree would be surprised if called GTO but I don't have any real insight on that.

 

Wow!! Love this angle. Strong, strong echoes of the 599 GTO there. A race car.

 

Go back and read the threads about this car from Dec through May and you'll know exactly why its not called a GTO and doesn't have 800 HP!

 

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I spotted 2 of them yesterday. Can't wait to see it fully discovered!



Active aero!

 

Sorry, who says it has 800hp? We all know it doesn't. Believe me, I have read every page of this thread and whilst I still consider it unlikely, my clear point was that aesthetically, now we have seen it, it screams GTO. I don't see anything in the thread that clearly demonstrates why it wouldn't be called GTO, especially as it was referred to as such within the company.

 

A very small but observant point. That really reduces the likelihood, although you could argue were it sporting a black cavallino, the game would be up.