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  1. spirot

    spirot F1 World Champ

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    I think the t-3 was one of the prettier F-1 cars of that era, but could not really keep up with Lotus at that time... or Renault.

    the t-4 was THE car... for Gilles.
     
  2. spirot

    spirot F1 World Champ

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    Colin Chapman said that Mario was the only other person that he had worked with that was as close to Jim Clark. however its true that they did not share the same relationship as Jimmy and Colin ... it was a differnet time in the 60's to the late 70's when Racing was well on its way to being way more busienss like.

    Jochen Rindt was a great driver - but he and Champman never really got on. after the Spanish GP when Chapman insisted that he drive the car with the bi plane high wings adn they collapsed - he was about over working with Lotus.

    at Monza he did not want to go out with the wing off, Chapman told him it was the only thing to do to increase speed ( eliminate drag ) ... and that is where Rindt got killed. so after that Chapman was only ever alowed back in Italy under a diplomatic pass port for 12 hours at a time - that went on until 1978... and then Petersons death at Monza ... i dont think He ever returned to italy for the race again after that.
     
  3. IamRobG

    IamRobG F1 Rookie

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    I thought Rindt insisted on not using the wing?
     
  4. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Guess all of our memories are becoming "blurred"! :eek: Thanks for the correction.

    OK. I'll go with Mario..... They certainly worked well together in '78. ;)

    But, gotta be honest, vague bells are still ringing that he's not who I'm thinking of - Mario was something of an engineer in the Mark Donahue mold, which Colin respected immensely of course.

    He "loved" Ronnie, but I'm almost certain it wasn't him either - Ronnie could drive any ol' POS quickly - As noted, Fred reminds me of him that way.

    Rindt? As Tom noted, not a "smooth" relationship there.

    Gonna have to search the archives and see if anyone jumps out. Maybe it was indeed Mario.

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  5. nsxrebel

    nsxrebel Formula 3

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    I think I'd invest in that booger sugar instead! :p
     
  6. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    :)

    It the stories are to be believed, seems many of them were into the ol' "Colombian nosebag" back in the day......

    Not saying it's right, just somewhat common knowledge. ;)

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  7. RallyeChris

    RallyeChris Formula Junior

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    Sponsored by Colombian Tourism Bureau
     
  8. nsxrebel

    nsxrebel Formula 3

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  9. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Hahaha!

    I want this enlarged and framed :D
     
  10. ricksb

    ricksb F1 Veteran

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    ROFLMAO!!

    Well played, sir!
     
  11. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    So, why don't we have a Colombian GP?........ ;)

    Seems every other two-bit country can get the Pygmy's attention, Colombia seems like a natural to me! :D

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  12. spirot

    spirot F1 World Champ

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    Yes - blow, toot, nose candy, pony... call it what you like James partook of it all... its one of the reasons he had such a bad heart at such a young age. he was a sad guy when you really look at it. wreckless, and never really able to "settle down" - perhaps in the end he was more calm, but he always had issues - money, drugs, booze, Relationships... he was a very good driver but not one of the best. 76 will always go down as the year Lauda gave it away... James was just lucky that he was there... sad but true.
     
  13. SPEEDCORE

    SPEEDCORE Four Time F1 World Champ

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  14. furoni

    furoni F1 World Champ

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    WEll, In Gilles hands it could, when he wasn't trying new tires for michelin...look at the race of champions when he blew Andretti, or at Monza when they fought for the win during the entire race....later became 6 and 7, both being penalized for false start....of course this only goes to show how amazing Gilles was, because we all know that the lotus was a much faster car and that Mario was no slouch either....
     
  15. nerofer

    nerofer F1 World Champ

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    To be fair, the T3 could also win in the hands of Carlos Reutemann: he won three Grand Prix with it (plus one with the old T2) against one for Gilles. How can anyone forget how he overtaked Niki Lauda at Brands Hatch?

    Rgds
     
  16. spirot

    spirot F1 World Champ

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    i was at Watkins Glen when Reutemann won in 78... and Villeneuve was 2nd. It was a great car but just not quite enough. I;ve seen Nick Mason's car up close and it is gorgeous, about all you could want in a 70's F-1 car.

    I think the car that could have made Villeneuve's Championship year was the 126c2 ... but alas.
     
  17. nerofer

    nerofer F1 World Champ

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    It also took some time for Michelin to understand the different tracks, so their tyres were excellent on some Grand Prix (Brasil, for instance), not very good on others (remember the french G.P at Paul Ricard that year...the Michelin were hopeless there). Fortunately for Jody and Gilles, in 1979 the Michelins were much more consistent.

    Rgds
     
  18. furoni

    furoni F1 World Champ

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    Yes, but most of the time, Gilles and Carlos were not wearing the same tires, Gilles was being used as a ginny pig, that's why many times Carlos T3 would be very competitive while Gilles's car was melting his tires....that's why at the end of the year, Enzo prefered Gilles instead of Carlos, he knew what each one of them was driving....
     
  19. islerodreaming

    islerodreaming Formula 3

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    Chris Amon
    Tom Pryce

    Brabham BT46B (now there was a blown diffuser!!)

    Murray designing

    Teddy Mayer managing

    Left field but guys I have always admired. Amon never had a good car to show his real potential and Pryce's career was cut so short.

    John
     
  20. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    As you say, a little out in left field, but a good call. Pryce promised much, and as (IIRC) Mario noted, "if Chris were an undertaker, people would stop dying!".....

    Teddy M always seemed "in control" to me.

    And Murray was certainly capable of thinking "outside the box".

    Good picks! Thanks!

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  21. singletrack

    singletrack F1 Veteran

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    I like this question!

    Drivers: Senna + Raikkonen
    Car: F2002
    Manager: Lauda
     
  22. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Is that why McLaren had to be rescued by Ron Dennis' Project 4 with Malboro's backing?
     
  23. nerofer

    nerofer F1 World Champ

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    Drivers: Emerson Fittipaldi & Ronnie Peterson
    Car: Lotus 72
    Team manager: Colin Chapman
    Designer: Maurice Philippe.

    Oh, wait....the year? 1973

    Rgds
     
  24. furoni

    furoni F1 World Champ

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    And he was the guy who lost Gilles to sign Tambay...good call!!!!
     
  25. Flavio_C

    Flavio_C Formula 3
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