Trade your Challenge Stradale for...

If anyone paid attention 198 tagged on spy just now and bounced almost $1 in 10 mins.. Now that's some short term winning... just saying, ahh I digress lol

 

I agree that it's not all about power/speed, but this argument, which is often tossed out when someone has a lower powered car, about the posted speed limit is ridiculous. If all a car need do is get you to 55 mph to be a good driver's car, we'd all be driving Priuses.

Performance matters and the fact that the performance enables you to exceed the posted speed limit does not mean that it's useless performance! You can enjoy the performance of a car even without breaking the speed limit or any other traffic laws, if this is something you're worried about (which I'm not). Every time you merge onto a highway, pass a slower car, take a mountain curve fast, etc., you use the performance of the car.

As for the CS, I've never driven it, but I'm sure it is tons of fun to drive, especially in the twisties. Plus, it has the cachet of being rare and the first of its kind (sort of). I like my scud, but I would love to be able to add CS, as well as a Speciale.

 

My point is lets please not discuss about what a fantastic drivers cars the CS vs the SCUD as having owned both there is simply no comparison. The Speciale is also in a different league above the SCUD but the gaps are smaller and less meaningful than the SCUD vs the CS

 

Let's find a video where the Scuderia is hammered by the Speciale in a drag race! Then you would have to sell that gutless Scuderia.

Then we can find a video where the Speciale is hammered by the new 488. Then we all sell our Scuderias and Speciales and all buy 488s.

Then can we find a video where all the above mentioned are ALL hammered by the F12 in a drag race. Then we all go jump off a bridge together knowing that there will always be something faster - if not today, then tomorrow.

 

LOL!

 

Unfortunately you are missing the point here Dave, the CS & the SCUD are both fantastic cars, which have both been super ceded in performance terms. However, if we are talking about pure driving experience, many people think the CS and the SCUD are similar analogue cars, which they aren't as the SCUD has a substantially bigger engine with all the driving characteristics of the CS, own them both and then lets discuss further ....

 

True. I think it would struggle with a trailer, or agricultural equipment. Probably would make a great sports car if you rev the hell out of it though

 

Don't agree. Slower cars are actually more fun outside the track many times IMHO. Sometimes on track also - depends on the car. The scud is too fast for most roads around here - deer, stupid drivers, debris, insane closing speed, etc. Most days, when it is in one piece, I will favor the 308 over the scud on back country roads.

Besides, if you are in max attack, the CS will never be at low RPM anyway. If you aren't at max attack, then why does it matter?

 

LOL!

 

Agreed on speed.

In a similar light, some people look at Chris Harris' reviews and go "oh that is stupid, that is not a fast way to drive, blah blah, he only drives for entertainment". Ignoring that he is doing some real racing now, those crazy drifts tell you a ton about a car's soul and how it handles at the limit when you are trying to turn the best lap time. Same goes for the experience of driving the Scud at low speed. It may not be as thrilling as a high speed sweeper at 130mph, but the ability at high speed trickles down to a pretty awesome feeling even at 50 or 60mph.

Plus, a lot of people take these cars to the track. Not really, but I will keep saying that anyway : )

Of the cars mentioned, I think if I would be content with any of those and not looking for another. But that is just my philosophy on cars. I actually don't like to have multiple that serve the same purpose, and I'm certainly not a collector. I never plan to sell cars I really love. Also out of space! : P

Track days are for fun and not a real competition, except against myself, so ultimate speed doesn't really matter to me. I care about how the car feels and how fast I can make it go around the track.

 

Slower cars are more fun >!! You really don't get it, the CS is at its WORST at slower speeds off the track

 

tender topic i guess, for everyone.

but fact is, the margin between 430 Scuderia to 458 Specialé in a head-to-head dragrace will not be anywhere as dramatic as it is between Challenge Stradale and 430 Scuderia, as the NA Ferrari V8 is already in the realm of diminishing returns.

Hence why, the FI 488 is the logical next step in the quest for more performance.

Yes, I agree plentifully that power is not the measure to end all. I very much prefer the "perception" or "sensation" of speed/power that the car gives me, and I believe that is why we are all here with a Ferrari of any generation in our garage and not a GTR or prius.

I can say that I got a great sensation from my old CS. But I will say that I get that same great sensation from the Scuderia just GOBS MORE of it, and it does not boil down to just the better performance figures. It is the whole event, there is just more of it to experience comparatively speaking.

One thing that remains a stand out for me in the CS is the steering ON TRACK. You can't feel this on the street, only on the track. The steering is more nimble and agile in slow-medium corners while the Scuderia feels a tad heavier. And that gearbox really only works on the track when it can hit those higher rpms.

They are both a "driver's car" if you ask me, the Scuderia just performs better and is respectable even by contemporary car performance standards.

CS owners can pride and boast about their cars dramatically appreciating in value, why can't Scuderia owners pride and boast about their performance? Why do CS owners take so much offense to that and always interpret it as "bashing"?

You don't see me crying a river about how my Scuderia is worth less than your CS?

 

Personally, I don't think it's right to bash anyone else's car on the forum, regardless of whether you think it deserves it or not. We all love our own cars, and no one likes listening to others say they're bad for one reason or another (slow, ugly, outdated, etc.). Decorum folks. Decorum.

 

2nd and 3rd gear with the revs up on nice turns in CS sucks? Why?

 

This.

Except Corvette owners. Only your cousin likes it.

: P

 

maybe because the timing belts give out?

 

Haha! Just don't tell my dad (a Corvette guy). Incidentally, I think that he loves that his new Z06 is faster than my scud. There is always another car that is faster . . . and another person who is smarter, wealthier, better looking, etc.

 

: )

I like to poke fun because *online* there are some people without a sense of humor ; )

The Z06 is a monster for sure. It, like the Speciale to me, is a touch too busy. But I think the right color makes it palatable to me. Total weapon, just not the one I want : )

 

<sethmeyers>Really?</sethmeyers>

 

too soon? hahaha

 

LOL. I guess you don't look around while you're driving. The most common cars by far are Nissan Leaf and Jeep.

My CS isn't my only car. I'm not making excuses for it's "less power than a SCUD". The CS is still much much faster than 99% of the cars on the road. A pro racer in a CS will beat the pants off of me in a SCUD on a track.

Throwing around the magazine stats of your sports car is lame. If you're making money winning races then you can talk ****. Otherwise it's all talk.

 

here we go again...adding a fallacy ontop of another fallacy.

going nowhere faster than your cs lmao.

 

I don't think anyone is taking "offense". I love this topic. Just because I defend my position doesn't mean I'm taking offense. I'm defending my position just like you. I can go buy a SCUD. But that won't make my **** bigger or make me a better driver.

It's hard to interpret mood over forums. Don't assume offense is taken. "Value" is tangible. We can measure it. "Performance" is tangible also but only when combined with skill which most here don't have myself included.

Most people buy these cars to be seen. They're not being used as designed. Just admit it.

 

What's the fallacy?

 

Posting modern day speed limits to justify your argument is a fallacy...

Posting that unless a person is a professional race car driver, he/she has no justifiable opinion on performance is a fallacy...

Posting that buying one car over the other as some way to enhance your penis size or driving skillset is a fallacy. Nobody once mentioned anything like this...

just to name a few...

And you don't need to be a pro driver to appreciate good balance and mechanical design in a car...