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  1. mik458spider

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    #26 mik458spider, Aug 16, 2015
    +458.
     
  2. DK308

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    #27 DK308, Aug 16, 2015
    Would the difference have been that small, if they had built a larger V8 with the same power as the 488 turbo engine? I'm not so sure. There's a 100 hp more on top, with more power over the rpm range, and still the emissions are less. That would take some serious engineering to pull off with an N/A engine.
     
  3. Noblesse Oblige

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    #28 Noblesse Oblige, Aug 16, 2015
    I think Ferrari will sell all that it makes, no problem. But the experience will be different and not inspire the fanatical loyalty of fans past.
     
  4. RichardCH

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    #29 RichardCH, Aug 16, 2015
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    Sure heaps more power, VERY LITTLE of which you can use unless you are on a track so its therefore TOTALLY pointless, I just don't think they thought this one through ..hopefully most people buy a Ferrari for the driving experience, not to throw the keys down on the bar and say my car has 700 hp
     
  5. PhilNotHill

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    #30 PhilNotHill, Aug 16, 2015
    NEVER had any trouble passing with the 458. 488 may be better. Do you need it or overkill?
     
  6. 458trofeo

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    #31 458trofeo, Aug 16, 2015
    All about profit and, as Daniel said, keeping up with the technology.

    best
     
  7. pride355

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    #32 pride355, Aug 16, 2015
    That is the problem with the car. The acceleration is quick but it doesn't fulfill you. Cayman's 7600 rpm is coming from an NA engine and at every upshift, you are ready to shift. I personally hit the rev limiter which was set at 7500 rpm during my test drive of the car @Hungaroring. And no, I'm not thinking of switching to 488 from my 458. I rather trade my car in for a Speciale.
     
  8. MalibuGuy

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    #33 MalibuGuy, Aug 16, 2015
    Why doesn't Ferrari offer the turbo to markets with higher restrictions and tax punishment (although most potential owners can afford the penalties)

    In other markets like the U.S. , Ferrari could offer NA engines.

    As far as increasing performance with NA engines, Ferrari could use more carbon fiber to lower weight and also raise the rev limit to 10,000. (There are many strategies to deal with valve float)

    Yes the cars would be more expensive. But overall this helps to retain value of the older models and the customer waiting lists are probably immune to a bump in MSRP within reason.
     
  9. qwertstnbir

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    #34 qwertstnbir, Aug 17, 2015
    Maybe Ferrari didn't expect so much criticism of turbo engine, Ferrari care about profit, it's cost more to build two engine options car.
     
  10. Bounce

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    #35 Bounce, Aug 17, 2015
    I find it funny FORD have a flat plane crank V8 NA engine and Ferrari don't! Pretty sure I accidently stepped in some weird alternate reality oh and to further this the M3 is now turbo too...
     
  11. cpiguy

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    #36 cpiguy, Aug 17, 2015
    The M3 is a great example of the same tremendous concern about the new 6 cylinder turbo lower reving engine in the ALL NEW F80 M3. My son and I both owned the NA e92 M3 and loved it. My son ordered the new F80 as a replacement with serious trepidations from everything he had heard and read.

    Truth be told, the new M3 is far superior in everyway. It looks better, it's much faster, it handles better, it's more comfortable, and you never notice that your not reving it to over 8000 like in the old car. I've driving it and all the concern about lag and lack of rpm were unwarranted. The M3 community now loves the new F80 am3 and they've sold a million.

    My son who's own many nice cars as well, would never go back to an e92. Just wanted to share the FINAL result of a very similar concern about a car that went turbo from NA.
     
  12. APC123

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    #37 APC123, Aug 17, 2015
    Definitely leaves room for a "Speciale"-type model - bump revs, boost, different hairdryers, make it more raw and soundtrack. Might be the model to get vs standard 488. safe 710+ HP easily
     
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    #38 dustman, Aug 17, 2015
    The M is very polarizing. Many, many articles about the lack of sound and very unsettled handling vs the prior gen (I owned also). Was it Randy Prost who also complained about on track bad manners?

    I hadn't driven, was so disappointed in the poor sound, interior finishes and odd exterior looks that I passed. I should give it a chance via a drive some time to be fair.
     
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    #40 day355, Aug 21, 2015
    News about the 8000 rpm ?
     
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    #42 jomana, Aug 21, 2015

    Latest demo cars are @8000.
     
  18. SloW8

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    #43 SloW8, Aug 21, 2015
    I think that when Ferrari drivers find out what torque is, they will forget about 1000 RPMs on the top end.

    Pull that flappy paddle and let all that glorious turbo torque work its magic.
     
  19. cpiguy

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    #44 cpiguy, Aug 21, 2015
    What's your source? There is a video of the 488 being driven flat out for some time and every shift takes place at 7500 rpm. I can't get my dealer to clarify this issue. They ask their source and have not received a confirmed response.
     
  20. RichardCH

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    #45 RichardCH, Aug 21, 2015
    that's highly unlikely, have Ferrari really changed the ECU programming ??
     
  21. gt2urbo

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    #46 gt2urbo, Aug 21, 2015
    much rather have a f12 if i wanted more power and torque or a porsche turbo S chipped.
    I love my speciale. Im not racing this 488 its is just a street car after all
     
  22. jomana

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    #47 jomana, Aug 21, 2015
    Yes they did. Even the old ones are getting a software update as promised by F guys during the test drive events.
     
  23. cpiguy

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    #48 cpiguy, Aug 21, 2015
    Hi Jomana

    You appear to have some insight most of don't have. Can you tell us how you know about the rev limiter issue. Regardless of what some have said, it is a very significant issue and driving the car was quite frustrating when it shut down at 7500 rpm. I've ask my dealer to verify what the real story is and he can't seem to get an answer from Ferrari. Seems quite odd.
     
  24. jomana

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    #49 jomana, Aug 21, 2015
    Hi,

    It's not an insight all.

    F dealers In Europe are taking Delivery of new batch of demo cars @8000. They also updating old ones with a new Gearbox update but some are having issues updating. Problem is they have to wait till the factory reopens so they can resolve this issue.

    During the F days event, the instructors was very vocal about the fact that production cars will be @8000.
     
  25. cpiguy

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    #50 cpiguy, Aug 22, 2015
    That's great to hear. I wish we could get some confirmation. I can't find anyone that has experienced the car with an 8000+ rpm rev limiter. Every video show's it shifting at 7500.
     
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