Miura, the original supercar

I inspected the Mecum Miura S. While it was a very nice car that's obviously been carefully kept up over many years it's cosmetics were really showing their age. The car has had minor paint work and recently the front bonnet was reshot. What turned me off is the amount of very sloppy touch ups in more than a dozen spots on the body in most visible spots. The interior showed very well for its age. Had non-original SV wheels. I was offered the car for $1.5MM 4 weeks ago. I passed. Later I thought the car was worthy of that price so I placed a proxy bid of $1.5MM. Boy was I off! I think the price the car brought was a fluke. I have my suspicions but I'll keep them to my self. By the way Andrew the red SV has a 15 year old resto not 20. The SV has some incorrect parts installed that are easily correctable. Overall it looked like the car was restored a few years ago not 15.

Geno

 

Just seen this video a couple of days ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUxQNwcQ0FU

same plates on two cars running the same time on public roads:
swiss plate is TI 95119
the Ferrari and the McLaren running with the same plate the same time on public roads in Munich Germany.
Problem is:
one never gets 4 plates in Switzerland, you get 2 plates (one for the front end and the other for the rear end) and you can register two cars on the same registration number, but one car must always be off public roads whereas the other car on public roads.
Practically only one car is insured and that is the one on public roads.
Easy fix because you only get 2 plates...
so practically you cannot go on public roads the same time with both cars because one never ever gets 4 plates...
plates are produced by the Swiss issuing regions (this case it is TI for TICINO) for security reasons.

therefore these young criminals shown in the Video (presumably drug dealers or other type of modern criminals) seem to be so stoned to produce at least a set of illegal plates and use them abroad (in Germany).

Already sent the video to the swiss authorities so that they can sue these young criminals in Switzerland at the competent court.

>>>>>>>>

perhaps same criminal ideology applied by the Miura owner with the orange and white Miuras ?

Ben
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Geno, thanks for the notes. I was not aware that the body was touched up or re-shot in any areas.. the new owner must have done that as well as the SV wheels before the auction.

On the SV, I don't know enough about the tail lights to comment one way or another, but someone told me (yes, third hand info) that Claudio Zampolli said those might have been original and a couple SVs were done at the factory with those lights.


Did you end up buying one of the three Miuras Monterey weekend?

PS. correction to my previous post, you are correct, the restoration was not 20 years ago - it was 15 as you mentioned. It was started in 1998, and finished in July 2000, and was then taken to the Miura reunion in Monterey the next month in August.

 

according to factory records, #4906 was delivered with a black interior, I'm wondering why during the restoration they changed for that beige...

I'm sure if the interior would have been black or still original, it would be sold for more

 

Andrew,

The paint work to the front bonnet was done right before the auction. Probably the touch ups as well. Overall still a great car just not for me. How many are left in such a preserved state? Not many so I can appreciate the car for what it is.
The car did come with the original wheels. Unfortunately the car may not be used much in the future as it's going to be a static fixture in a museum.

I bought the SV. I know that Jeff and Claudio believe the tail lights to be factory installed but others disagree. It would be nice to get some real proof of that. Maybe pics of a few other SV's with those type of tail lights would be helpful. An hour after I purchased the car I ran into Valentino and we chatted for a while. He advised to get the tail light issue fixed and he happens to have 2 sets. As Joe stated its not a cake walk to get it done but I have access to the best metal fabricator on the planet that works on Walton's cars and other one-off cars so it's nothing they can't handle.

Geno

 

The original interior color was black but do you think the price would be effected by the unoriginal color? How much more could that car sell for? I think it sold for too much already.

Geno

 

as I mentionned already, I was speaking with my friend who was the phone bidder up to 2,250 - finally he resigned because it didn't have anymore its original interior...

 

I inspected the car as well and agree that there had been some repaint. The interior looked great for its age - I am a big fan of the cloth inserts. From what I could see of the underside, typical corrosion of the chassis at the front end was a concern, but it was very hard to get a good assessment without getting underneath.

 

Joe thank you for pointing out the difference in the color of the outside light. I believe 4906 is a Euro production car so amber is the correct color.

Geno

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I am totally with that, but I just did not feel that 4906 with it's full blown restoration would look right with an old interior. I did not see a lot of value tied to just that factor so that was my point to Oliver's point. As far as original livery, the topic has been discussed many of times. I personally am in the camp that does not instill more value in the car's original colors versus a color change as long as it's a period color being applied. With these cars trading for the stupid money as they are the wrong color is the least of the issues. For 2% of the cost of the car one can go back to any "correct" color of their choosing.

Lot's of cars get fully restored and if most of the interior or all of it is in a well preserved state it gets reused after a proper reconditioning. Lot's of people prefer that as new interiors often never look right as it's virtually impossible to duplicate the way they were new. Original materials are mostly never obtainable. That said leaving the old interior after a full blown restoration makes the overall appearance not flow well and look odd IMO. I guess it depends on just how much patina the interior has.The newly redone brown Miura SV in Europe got it's original interior re-used from what I was told. In the pics it looks amazingly perfect. With every nut and bolt as-new after a restoration and an old looking interior can really stick out like a sore thumb. I've seen it and to me it did not look good.

Geno

 

I seem to recall a period piece by famous British journalist LJK Setright (the man who originally coined the phrase supercar to describe the Miura) where he described how British Miuras often had the interiors redone almost immediately after the cars arrived here due to the poor materials and standards of work from the factory.

 

I totally agree with you on the 60s cloth /vinyl feel ,can not be duplicated