Steve, thank you for this, very useful, and thank you to those who have offered me cars. Its interesting how many cars can be purchased.
because we can't compare a#1car with a car that has no history. or low miles never been repaint etc. etc. etc. thanks.. hope I am not offending anyone. Love my car and would't sell for no price
Vito, How are you? I reviewed our e-mail exchanges from last year and prior, and I must say your silver 1976 930 with @ 8,000 miles is very nice indeed. I am glad you have now decided to keep the car, good for you, enjoy it in good health, its a beauty. Meanwhile, you are not offending anyone at all.
Since Joe is a buyer, I am a buyer too. I would love to see any of these cars that are available on the market please. I have "wanted ads" up for them specifically (since March) and have bumped the ads multiple times on Pelican, 911 registry, Samba, Rennlist and posts on Craigslist but those usually get pulled down quickly as wanted ads aren't allowed on Craigslist. Don't hesitate to take a peek as my handles the same on all sites. I havent been offered a car in months. The cars I have been offered have been disasters or insanely priced (north of 400k). I'm a cash buyer. The cars I was lucky to find, were all before Hagerty re-priced. And I bought several of them. Several know that I am looking so again please, offer away as cash is ready to be wired.
a few more fro sale from hemmings web-site 1977 Porsche 930 Turbo Carrera for sale #1741308 | Hemmings Motor News 1976 Porsche 930 3.0l Turbo Carrera for sale #1746414 | Hemmings Motor News The only conclusion I can draw on today's pricing is I have non..... I have to have mine appraised for insurances purposes, i guess that will tell something.
Here you go, as shared by Steve: Porsche 930 | eBay Porsche 930 | eBay 1976 Porsche 930 3.0l Turbo Carrera for sale #1746414 | Hemmings Motor News 1977 Porsche 930 Turbo Carrera for sale #1741308 | Hemmings Motor News Added to those, Ive come up with a handful of cars available privately. Furthermore, a 930 owner reading here just sent me these: https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/porsche/911-turbo/1977/326618 https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/porsche/911-turbo/1977/298851 https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/porsche/911-turbo/1977/327270 https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/porsche/911-turbo/1976/326038 Thank you Ron. They are out there, the notion that there are no cars for sale is a myth.
UR welcome Vito. In a connected market such as exists today, nobody is giving their cars away, so the call for people not to do so is completely unnecessary. After all, it is a colleague of yours who wishes to join the 930 fraternity and become an owner, if anything one would hope existing owners would be nothing short of positive & helpful. There are 2 owners here who have been particularly helpful and to them I say again, thank you.
UR welcome redwinelover, I hope you buy as many 930s as your heart desires, as you yourself have said, if they get cheaper, you can buy more!
This is an interesting topic, because it underscores the market very well. A very good friend of mine inspects cars for a living and flies all over the country to inspect cars for clients including myself. He is very good at spotting a great car from a polished turd. He has a client who has been looking for a great (collector quality) 3.0 930 since about this time last year, he has flown to most every dealership on the East and West coast who is "known" for these cars and has been disappointed with ever car he has seen to date. His client's search continues and will continue to wait for the right car. The point being that when prices move precipitously, there are many cars that are brought to market in hopes that one can sell a mediocre car for money that should only be reserved for the best cars. It is however very difficult to find great cars even in a strong market as they rarely come to market; the only difference is the additional noise created by those hoping to get high prices for nothing more than a used car.
The 1 Feb 1975, Porsche Cars Great Britain price sheet listed the Turbo Coupe at £14,749.02 and this included car tax and V.A.T. Standard for the Turbo was electric slide roof (M 650) and the choice of special colour (non-metallic) and special colour metallic. 2 GOO, featured in the Nov 75 Motor magazine was fitted with standard Great Britain options. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
I have a 77 for sale, listed on ebay, hemmings, rennlist, pca etc etc. Good honest driver quality car, fully documented. You don't really find out what anything worth until you try to sell. If anyone is seriously shopping for a nice honest car ping me- I'll am realistic about values. Phil
So, what is the difference between a so called used car and a great car? Or the other way around: what are the hurdles to get a "used" car to a "great" car? Or, what makes the "used" car rather unwanted and the "great" car so desirable. Is the "used" car, if in technical good shape, a big difference to the "great" car? Somehow, all this is difficult to grab for me. Honestly speaking: is the 8.000 miles car in 40 years a car with history in its "bones"? I have no idea. Honestly, I am just asking questions, that I can't answer myself....and I myself own four 3.0 from 75 to 77...and the one I like the most, is the most imperfect one from 75....with all the miles in its "bones"...
Phil, Is it one of the cars posted here? http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/144156894-post4481.html If not, link/s and details please.
So many questions, but good ones, nonetheless. I think there is no 'correct' answer for any of the philosophical and very subjective questions you have posed, the answers to which can only be a personal thing and will differ with every person you ask. That's the beauty of classic car ownership, something that is old, tired, used-up and in need of a restoration to one person, can be a precious jewel for someone else, we all get to see it differently. "One man's treasure is another man's trash", but the old adage "make yourself happy" is all that matters. One thing I find interesting is the number of people who own 4,5,6, or even 7 examples of 3.0 930 in the current embarrassment of riches, and even more interesting is how it appears they want everyone to know this! One can only commend the enthusiasm for the variant as shown by the multi-car collections that have been assembled in recent years. I say you don't have to answer the questions you posed to anybody, or even to yourself, you simply have to enjoy the cars for whatever reason made you buy them in the first place.
Joe, Car listed here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/321846209072?forcerRptr=true&item=321846209072&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME:X:AAQ:MOTORS:1123 and here: Beautiful 1977 turbo carrera for sale - Pelican Parts Technical BBS And here:1977 Porsche Turbo Carrera Coupe for sale #1767649 | Hemmings Motor News Phil
I was reading through one ad and the author of the add Raised the point of the low production numbers and "who knows how many are left" Has anyone been able to put a number on %survivors with actual data vs mere speculation. I suspect thewhole widow maker moniker is overplayed. My GUESS is less than 20% were wrecked/salvaged/stripped/buried ....
I was reading through one ad and the author of the add Raised the point of the low production numbers and "who knows how many are left" Has anyone been able to put a number on %survivors with actual data vs mere speculation. I suspect thewhole widow maker moniker is overplayed. My GUESS is less than 20% were wrecked/salvaged/stripped/buried ....
As Joe said, what someone likes best is subjective and I am not knocking anyone's car by any means, however the market does dictate a strong premium for highly original, well preserved cars, and very correct well restored cars. Typically, the first thing he will look for is panel fitment; if fitment is off or things don't open and close properly, this is a likely red flag for accident history and / or poor body work. Originality of paint or quality of a repaint would be next. Most cars can be eliminated from one or both of these - not that a car can't be repainted, but it is costly and time consuming so it must be factored accordingly. Quality of hardware - is there corrosion and how good is the finish? Wear of the interior - is it consistent with the mileage, is it original, has it been dyed, does it need to be redone? Originality of the components, mechanicals, has it been properly serviced, does it drive as tight as it should, are the tires correct, are the wheels correct, etc? Other factors like livery / interior colors, special options, provenance, documentation, all play a role. I could go on for quite a while but I think you get the idea. For 930s, having been relatively inexpensive for so long, as has been discussed here before, they have been the subject of "vandalism" with performance and cosmetic modifications, and have simply been the victim of a lot of shoddy work as the value of the vehicle often didn't justify a proper repaint, etc. So while we are starting to see many cars come to market, how many are really worth what top cars command once you pick them apart and factor in what it would take to get them back to factory original: the answer is very few. When they do come to market, they generally move very quickly.
I’m finally getting around to installing a speaker dash pad in my 1975 Turbo. I had the windshield removed and I'm installing the dash pad myself. It’s really a pretty easy job and do-it-yourself provides the opportunity to detail under the dash pad and better yet, it allows you to enjoy your favorite beverage and look at the chalked production number on top of the metal dash. The dash speaker wire was still present connected to the right speaker wire bundle since the Köln does not have a separate dash speaker output. The dash pad will go in tomorrow and the windshield a few days later. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
