Will there be a F12 "HGTE" Announced at Frankfurt in September?

This is a combo of supreme elegance, especially love the no shields.

 

You are correct. As far as I know my dealer has 4 cars, all going to LaF owners. Perhaps there is a second round, perhaps not...Even if there is, I live in a country where there are probably many other owners more deserving than me...Never mind, I always wanted to buy a 918, I guess I ll focus on that!

 

Agree, very, very beautiful. Super elegance.

 

GF..???dumb as I am i can't figure out what color is GF?

 

Grigio Ferro!

 

I have yet to see it in person, although I'm sure it is sublime considering how nice the pictures look


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Having seen the VS, I think Scozia or Pozzi will be too dark. The VS isn't "pretty", it makes the standard F12 look positively Aston Martin-ish smooth by comparison.

My take out is the design and engineering rationale to deliver the "Passo Corto Virtuale" requires a host of cutting edge, complex and separate technical inputs necessary for the big jump in promised performance/agility/stability. Ferrari at its best.

Clearly people able to buy will choose whatever colours they like but since VS is a complex design compared to the F12 and firmly rooted in cutting edge design and technical excellence, why would you choose to hide the details? The details are certainly not cosmetic.

I'm not saying the VS is better than the F12, the two - from what I could see and hear - are different answers to different briefs. And while certain colours look superb on the F12, I am not sure they will transfer easily to the VS.

 

If that's the case than it seems more like warrior/road racer type colours would suit the personality of the vs as opposed to elegant gt.

 

Interesting perspective on the overall 'shape' of the VS. Did Ferrari point you in any particular direction then regarding a dark or lighter shade for your color choice? Do you think metallic paint helps or hurts the result you are trying to achieve with the color choice? Even Ferrari doesn't always get it right as the F12 flat aluminum color paint did not find many takers either.
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I've always wondered. What's the durability of the aluminum paint?


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The carbon caps on the wheels look good.

 

How about a chrome horse to....
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Interesting perspective, with all the black details I agree it would seem that a lighter color would suit it best. As "ordinary" as this combo is, I am thinking that maybe rosso corsa with black interior might be hard to beat.

 

only reason is rare it's because that's a us$50k color option.
VS gonna be rare because its a $500k car.

 

Camlet1, thanks for sharing some thoughts on the car. Its very much what I am hearing as well. I look forward to learning more.

 

Good question. The car was presented in triple yellow to show off the considerable amount of carbon already included with the car. Ferrari said as much. They clearly felt this would be a strong choice.

However from the silence of the three buyers (and our partners) it was clear we were all finding the visual cacophony challenging.

They used modern military jets as a proxy for how technology is required today for humans to access extreme performance. This wasn't hype. The performance numbers and the work they've put in is mind-boggling. And if the independent road tests vindicate Ferrari's promise - which I'd be amazed otherwise - this car will be recognised as the pinnacle of their NA V12 sports-car lineage going back to the beginning. I kid you not. This is a serious beast which has been created by some seriously clever people.

But the focus on delivering extreme performance and agility means IMO she's aggressive but not what you would call pretty. That's not her purpose. She shouts extreme performance but thankfully without the Aventador's melodramatics. Ferrari thought triple yellow was best. We selected to go for softer lighter metallics. None of us hesitated. Maybe it's a British thing or maybe the three of us just had too much wine for lunch (more likely).

Personally I think metallic helps balance the visual impact of the parts that make up the whole. So metallic reds, greys and silver. I can see Fuji working very well. I can perhaps see Grigio Alloy working. I think dark colours will be a waste; the opposite using anything vivid being too much. As it happens the flat aluminium you've shown could look pretty awesome on the VS but I would worry about maintaining it.

When she's launched and people see the car up close I can only imagine the wonderful debate which will be generated about every aspect including what colour. It'll make this thread seem like the amuse-bouche

 

That is absolutely beautiful. Wow. Really stunning.

 

Great description. Many thanks again. If you don't mind, would you be so kind to describe exactly where the exterior CF is? My apologies if it has already been stated, but I can't hear enough about this car! Cheers


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I remember when the 599 GTO was revealed they used a similar analogy to fighter air craft. They said the car without its aids was right on the edge of being unstable but the systems were so well done that you wouldn't notice and thus you get a car that is really sharp and natural handling because of the engineering magic. This car sounds evnen more amazing!!

 

Now you're testing me! The following is from memory so please don't hold me to it.

Rear: CF strip between lights, CF exhaust surrounds, CF rear fog light, CF active rear aerodynamics

Side: CF on significantly extended aerobridge, CF along bottom edge full length between wheels.

Front: CF on complex set of winglets, CF light clusters.

CF light clusters and rear fog light an optional extra. I declined CF for engine bay.

The above ignores the various additional aerodynamic aids not in CF. There's other items which are more fundamental and will raise eyebrows (and few other things ) but I best not go there.

 

Camlet1- sincere thanks to you for taking the time to share some thoughts gleaned from your trip to Maranello!

 

Given the honest enthusiasm from trusted sources, it is now nearly impossible to believe the F12 VS has only 49 additional horsepower (a mere 6.7% increase is not significant). Its confusing but very exciting. I would think the drivetrain will carry over to the F12M to keep it ahead of the 488 and the Aventador. Although, maybe without the four wheel steering and presumably the live caster/camber control.

 

The difference in horsepower is around the number you mention. I don't profess to be an expert but that's also only one piece of their narrative.

The presentation they gave went into much detail about everything else they've done to the VS. The claimed improvements versus the standard F12 and 599 GTO are significant and across the board - at least it sounded like it to me.

 

I see. More of a system of systems approach. Still very exciting. Thank you.

 

50 CV will be very significant if they discovered how to put them all on the ground. About the chassis, I think that full active camber / toe in control on suspesions will be implemented in next models, maybe next V12 or 488 "scuderia" / "498" and surely will give amazing performances, even more if coupled with AWD in a quite far future after 2020. However, I can't wait to see what marvellous technologies have been employed on the last pure V12 of the Prancing Horse.