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  1. khamsin433

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    Looks like Rame to me.

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    Hello AMLC,

    The K in Greece is the car located at the Hellenic Motor Museum in Athens, it is nice to see that it is a runner. It is AM120313 (photos below), last bought on July 31st 1999 at a Coys auction in Silverstone for...GB£7500 yes don't bite your computer in frustration at not having been there those were the days when nobody had a clue what a Khamsin was:) There is now a second Khamsin in Greek ownership -I suspect a former Fchatter-, AM120282 which I inspected twice in Lausanne Switzerland but it was in Modena in recent months being worked on.

    -343: it had been owned for many years by one Brit with a second home in Italy and he then gave it to his son in law. Chaotic lives, quite a few incidents with the car -repair flywheel on one of the invoices!- had a huge file of invoices. It then slept from 2007 till last fall when an Italian bought it, got it functioning and sold it to Brummen. When I inspected it I found that there was minor tube chassis damage ie not on the big tubes and this was under the engne on the driver's side in a RHD car, a tube had been welded but a crack had gone right through. The car had lived a LOT. To be candid I did not check for matching number because I have only ever seen one non matching numbers car.

    Tim the French car AM120016 was Rame metallizzato as Bal says yes.

    Best regards,

    Marc
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    A stout price, but the car will be hard to repeat.

    Is it just the photo or are there no Bertone badges on the front fender?

    Best,

    Jack.
     
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    Hi Jack
    I am sure Marc will pitch in on the actual year but they weren't fitted after 76.
    Also note the external rear vision mirror..
     
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    Hi Graeme,

    Thanks, I didn't know that, but I won't need to order any then :)

    What is with the rearview mirror? I was under the impression Maserayi shipped the cars without them, although that seems to be strange, as they were obligatory in most countries.
    Looking at various photos, there is a wide range of mirrors fitted to these, some pleasing to the eye, others not so much.

    Best,

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    Hy red27

    you may read up the story of 415 in the post #5616 from January 2015 by hiltsuk, and following posts; the owner orignially asked 50'000 GBP but prices are un the up,
    here it seems the seller wants to include future service costs in the sales price...
     
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    Ah, thanks, I'd forgotten that post....(asking) prices are indeed on the up for the mighty K.
    Cheers.

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    Hi Mark and all,

    was traveling sorry for delayed response, thanks to Roger for locating the posts when we last discussed the car, AM120415 another K that sat for years after its second owner passed.

    Many right hand drive K's rotted away decades ago due to the wet English climate, one notably being restored already in 1986, a job covered in a six part article series in Supercar Classics, namely AM120351 the car of JW seen at Khamsin Quaranta in 2012 so it is nice to see this one -despite the not ideal red color and very ambitious price tag- surviving after proper storage.

    Those of you coming to the Chantilly Concours outside Paris this Sunday please let me know by email including you cell/mobile phone number:

    [email protected]

    I look forward to seeing you again or meeting you:)!

    Best regards,

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    Hello to all

    I wonder why nobody commented yet on the car for sale at McGrath's ?
    Because it is an automatic ? or because it is too reasonable in price ?

    For me it was a new discovery, although seemingly well known in th UK club
    after reading the ad:

    Maserati Khamsin | McGrath Maserati
     
  11. Nembo1777

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    Hello Roger and all,

    You were simply the first to spot it:) The car in the McGrath ad you mention, AM120311, is the 6th right hand drive and 4th UK delivery car -since 307 and 309 were delivered to other right hand drive markets- original color celeste which a is stunning light blue. Owned many years by Arvid Bergdal (Swedish sounding name) in the UK, sold 1995 to Jack Levy 1997 to current owner Patrick Martin in the far southwest of the UK.

    Since 301 was lost due to rust and parts dismantling at McGraths years ago it is the third oldest Khamsin imported to the UK still surviving hopefully...if in fact these other two are still in existence?

    We have however no info on 303 since it was sold new by Citroen UK in Slough on 29/11/74.
    305 was also sold new by Slough on the very same day then many years later by...Arvid Bergdal at auction in 1993 (another repeat K owner: would like to meet him!) and again in 1997 at a Goodwood auction then it disappeared out of sight. So those two remain question marks, hopefully they will surface too!

    Best regards,

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    New pictures on the website of the shop that has now converted US1300:

    http://dnrestorations.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/IMG_0479-960x500.jpg

    http://dnrestorations.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/IMG_0485-960x500.jpg
     
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    Hi

    Sorry I was away last week . I looked at the Red Khamsin #415 in January. It was listed for £50k in the Maserati club newsletter which I knew was cheap. The car belonged to the seller's brother who died about 10 years ago. He who hadn't driven the car for years and didn't appreciate how much values had risen. So its a 3 owner car - not 2.

    I called the day I received the newsletter but someone had already booked into see the car that day. However I managed to convince the owner to let me view it. I was told that the other buyer (who I suspected was a dealer) had already offered the asking price. I had been honest with the seller right from the start and told him it was worth more. I offered £60k but was ultimately outbid by the other buyer who paid around £65k. The car had good history (but the seller hadn't really organised it well and didn't know what he had). It wasn't in great condition to be honest as it had sat in a damp garage for about 10 years. There was rot all over the sills and it has been badly undersealed wth black gunk and it was impossible to get it on a ramp so I suspect the floors would also need a lot of restoration work. It certainly needed a full bare metal respray and a lot of body restoration. Mechanically it ran but the LHM system needed to be replaced and who knows what else needed attending to. The interior was dirty but original, I don't know how well it would clean up but it was well worn in places. The Pioneer stereo didn;t look original t me - looked like early 1990's. It had the jack but no tool kit.

    I'm not suprised to see it for sale again but the size of the mark up is aggressive. I did warn the seller that this could happen and that the other buyer was so keen that it was most likely a dealer.

    Either they have restored the car and are passing it off as original and unrestored or they are hoping to sell it as it. Either way the description probably isn't accurate.

    Given the one in Gallery Brumen sold for about £100k and another went in auction in March for £116k I would be shocked to see this sell for anything like £225k.
     
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    If an ex owner of 403 can comment I agree 225 UKP ouch! and its amazing how many are turning up in Resale Red , May be 225 AUD.
    There is an RHD auto on Flea Bay Australia that I know and no takers above $100K AUD.
    I have inspected it and its vey genuine. Marc knows the Sno.
     
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    Prices appear all over the place, which is historically right: Look at Ghibli-prices of a few years ago and you see what I mean. At some point the real price for a genuinely excellent example will be established, lesser cars get proper and expensive restorations and there will be no relatively cheap K's left.
    This may take w little longer with the K, as the US is not really a player in this market, the car not widely appreciated there for known reasons. Fortunately there are a few exceptions :)
    The Brummen car was not a yardstick, and once done will also be considerably more expensive.
    No stories excellent K's are thin on the ground, and if I read the commenrts correctly, the 225K Sterling isn't one of them. Word on that will get around quickly too.

    Question for other RHD owners: Did they actually come with a toolkit? The rear cubby where the kit sits on LHD cars is filled with the battery. My jsck-kit is laying behind the seat, there is no other space for it.

    Best,

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    Hi Jack
    My car had a took kit and had the battery originally mounted across the the car in the cubby on the left hand side. This meant that the tool kit and Jack would fit in with the battery. I moved the jack and made a mount beside the RHD air intake. It sits on a rubber mount on top of the pinch weld and is held in place at the top with a hook and wing nut.
     
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    Hi jack,

    Agree with last response, toolkit and Jack fit around/ on top of battery in left hand compartment .

    Bal
     
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    Hi Jack...

    You knew I was going to ask, :) what are the "known reasons" the Khamsin is not really
    a player in the US market? Living in the US market, I don't know what they are! :)

    We all are probably in agreement that there are very few K's left in the USA.. Since I
    have one, and it still has its "lovely" US bumpers, and most that were sucked up by the
    European market have had the bumpers converted, I figure I can't loose when competing
    with a converted to Euro bumper US Khamsin! This will probably drive Marc over the
    edge, but with some fine French wine, he should recover soon!! :) :)

    Mike
     
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    LOL actually Mike I just came back from a looong French dinner with lots of good wine so suffice to say I will not try to answer your bumper tease until I am more clear headed;-)

    Hiltsuk many thanks for your comments on 415 and rest assured I am not forgetting about that other matter.

    Your description of 415 is very valuable to all of us and it is sad that it was not stored quite properly just a few degrees more humidity and less heat in the UK climate can have adverse effect so God knows what is under the surface of that one....due dilligence needed in view of the ambitious asking price.

    The ex Brummen right hand drive K has had its chassis localized damage repaired got the weld repair photos Sunday, that's a good start.

    Good night all,

    Marc
     
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    @ Graeme & BaL Thanks, I'll see if I can puzzle the jack-bag in there.

    @ Mike:
    Hah, I worded what I said rather carefully, with you in mind Mike!
    I see it like this:
    Already when K's were new, I am sure Maserati lost many, many sales in the US because of the amateurish-looking adaptations to the original design.Add to that the less than ideal changes to comply with environmental legislation, resulting in a much lower top speed. The latter may be totally academic, but IMO in this segment bragging rights are important. The percentage of K;s delivered to the US market new was way below the percentage of what other manufacturers reached.
    Today you may add the high percentage of auto-box equipped cars. I have never been in one, they may be wonderful, but they are less desirable in the marketplace and there is therefor less focus on them.
    So, the drums on let's say Daytonas and Ghiblis beat much louder, and the K remains a bit of a stepchild.
    In the European countries this is different, the K is (a little) more known, and appreciation has over the last few years vastly increased, with the obvious consequence for pricing.

    This is just the way I see it, YMMV!

    Best,

    Jack.
     
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    Hi All,
    Has anyone else seen this photo before, or know anything about the cars VIN or location now. I saw the pic on Facebook- its from Peter Kumar of Gullwing Motor Cars in the USA.
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    Two Ks ... WOW
     
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    Never seen it before, very nice.

    These are probably the two cars that they sold earlier this year?
    According to what was discussed then they are #1164 and #1304.

    Searching the net I found this: https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=99120238%40N04&view_all=1&text=khamsin
    Interestingly there is also a third car in these pictures, appears to be #198.
     
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    Well found, I wonder where they are now???
     
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