Hamiltons performances as dominant as senna according to David coulthard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U09KmUPPM6E

jEAN showing Hamilton some style!!

 

Hamilton is a great driver...but he is no Senna or Senna-equivalent, sorry hamboys.

 

I seriously doubt Hamilton could adapt to a bad car and make magic with it the way most of our "heroes" seemed to be able to do. Can say that for a lot of the drivers, but since we're on him today...

The racing isn't the same as these comparisons and it's all about the lifestyle for him now. There is no discernible hunger.

 

What people forget about Senna is what giant huge balls he had.

 

Hunger is more difficult to show these days. If a driver takes the car to the limit, his tires will undergo thermal degradation and lose grip. He'll impress everyone with one great lap and overtake, before then losing positions while struggling on destroyed tires or having to pit and losing positions anyway. The present formula punishes hunger and aggression and rewards patient management behind the wheel.

In that regard, it's very difficult to compare anyone's performance today to the performances of eras gone by.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

+1...can anyone imagine any of today drivers holding everyone during a whole race like Gilles did in jarama with that POS of a car that was 2s a lap slower than the half dozen that kept trying to overtake him?? Or making 2º in qualy at Monaco with the worst chassis in the field, and the most dificult engine to use in that same circuit? and afterwards win the race?....or drive blind in the rain to a podium at canada?....of course not even Senna would have been able to do that but to campare Hamilton or any of the current drivers to these guys is just a bad joke!!

 

What about last year at the Hungaroring where an engine fire had him starting in the back? We can easily find times in a drivers career where he was brilliant or foolish. For instance, Jenson Button at Canada a few years ago. He went to the back twice if I remember correctly and still won the GP beating Vettel at his best. Or Alonso back in Singapore winning after his teammate caused a safety car. That was a brilliant move on his part. Or Vettel and Webber getting together at Turkey allowing Hamilton to win that race. Another Brilliant move.

All drivers have their shining/dark moments. We could put them up against each other for days and still not agree who is best/worst/stupid etc.

 

Totally agreed...If you want to talk against Senna then you just have to upload videos of him crashing miles ahead of the rest of the field in Monaco or crashing into Prost on purpose...Or Schumacher in Monaco blocking the chicane. You will find somthing on anyone of those...

Certainly Hamilton had great races as well but I do not know why everybody comes up with this again and again? Hamilton was driving a dominating car and as far as I know he would have finished about 5th but won 3 places during the safety car as Rosberg lost 3 at the same time. So everybody say Hamilton has beaten Rosberg from the pits wheras the nomal outcome without safety car would have been Rosberg 1st and Hamilton 5th, a normal result and nothing to highlighten every now and then...If someone wants to give an example of a great Hamilton race I think this is not an appropriate one as two safety cars mixed it up.

 

I used it as an example because it was the same track as I quoted, only one year before.

 

My problem with modern day F1 drivers is they are conditioned today to drive as cautiously as possible to keep the fuel mileage, tire wear, engine wear, brake wear, and gearbox wear to a minimum.

And, if they even rub tires with another competitor they get penalized.

Everything is about controlling resources instead of using resources. I think Senna would be appalled.

 

On the contrary, Hamilton is a great talent in that regard. Maybe the dominant Mercedes might make him lazy, but Rosberg hasn't exactly let him do that.

Because of tire conservation, DRS, and fuel conservation, the gap between a bad car and a good car is almost insurmountable. A good car with DRS can freely shoot right by a bad car no matter the driver.

Hamilton I would rate the highest at getting the most mechanical grip from a car. Alonso I would rate the highest at keeping it collected and advantage to himself when side by side. Vettel I would rate the highest at working the downforce of a car. There are subtle differences you can pick up on. The single problem with comparing drivers of today, with yesterday, is many of the drivers today, would be dead, if the drove yesterday's cars.

 

HERE is what I would like to see.

Get rid of ALL radio Communication between the pit crew and the driver and go back to only sign boards

"push"

"brakes"

"Pit"

I would bet the outcome of the races would be much better. Drivers would have to feel their way on the condition of the brakes, the strategy of their positions, how good their fuel mileage is to get to the end.

The drivers today are more like robots. How can you judge someone from Senna's era against a robot, no matter how good it may be?

 

^^^ I agree. The drivers are just managed components and don't have to use their brains anymore. I would also get rid of the stupid one move and no weaving rules. Drivers today are powerless to defend their position from an attacker because they can't make their cars wide enough for fear of penalties from the stewards. Too much regulation all round.

 

As long as the Brits may praise the Brits, Britain is happy. DC was driving too much in the shadow of non-Brits such as Hakkinen and some guy called Schumacher.
Comparing Blondie with Senna, what a joke!

 

+1

I got yelled at for saying Blondie's not fit (yet anyway) to carry Ayrton's jock!

Sure, "statistically" he's getting close, but per the old saying; "There's lies, damn lies & then there's statistics."

I think we're pretty much all agreed he's a damn fine jockey, but simply not in the Ayrton/Michael/Gilles class.

Cheers,
Ian

 

Too all the Hammy haters who's head's are exploding and are foaming at the mouth!

It's David Freaking Coultard! Who are you...bwahaaha!

 

Please try to express that point less provocatively. This is the kind of thing that gets folks riled up.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

What point? When Coulthard defended Vettel after Spa it is just Coulthard, now it is nobody less than Coulthard...Whatever suits this second...

 

Get over what? He's a decent driver.

Lewis is not a legend - YET, give him a chance to get there, he might, he might not,
but there is no denying his talent.

Piquet has 3 titles, I don't recall anyone calling him a legend.
Prost has 3, while good, he is not a 'legend', but he is close.
Fernando has 2, not in the conversation.

Then you have Gilles Villeneuve, never won a title, but is considered a legend (?)
Jacque Villeneuve won a title, not even close to being in the conversation about 'legendary'.
Same with Scheckter, Keke, Damon.

Ponder this question:

What would Lewis do in a Ferrari?

 

+1

He's a Brit, being asked no doubt "loaded" questions by the BBC. Who I believe employ him too.

There's no doubt he's "knowledgeable", but as has been said many times, the British press is, in general, hardly the WSJ when it comes to "journalistic integrity".

Take *everything* they say with a grain of salt.

Cheers,
Ian

 

What a scary thought, a few years ago I spoke with then boss, Luca, and he assured me he wasn't looking at hiring him. I was quite vocal on my thoughts at the time as to the damage he would do within an emotional Italian team setting, if he can upset a stoic unemotional team like McLaren, a Latin temperament would be destroyed easily. I really hope that hasn't changed under marchionne.

I suspect he would do a lot of whining about the car being too slow, lots of moaning at Kimi whenever he was quicker, and generally unsettle the team. He definitely wouldn't be able to drag out results like Alonso did, and I'm not sure he would be able to do what Seb does, seeing as how he didn't exactly dominate button in similar circumstances (car that wasn't the quickest, limited development, his attitude beginning to split the team)

Let's face it, if the old man was in charge and elton played his trick of publishing team data on Twitter, Enzo would've packed his stuff for him before he pressed send!

 

+1 to all. Well stated.

There's just something, I think pretty much undefinable, about the true greats/"legends" of the sport. I was just a little kid when I witnessed Jimmy's greatness; Even to a kid it was "obvious" [OK, no doubt enhanced by my family's stories. ]

I watched Ayrton come thru the ranks in the UK; I've said this before, but we *knew*, even in FF, we were watching a future WDC.

And Michael was truly wonderful to watch; be it live or on the box.

There are certainly others - Gilles comes to mind. Even if he was "nowhere", in a POS, we somehow "knew" he was special.

Then the earlier guys - most of whom are unfortunately deceased of course.

About the same as the current guys.

Cheers,
Ian

 

+1

I hadn't thought of it that way - Good point. He'd be quick, no doubt, but I agree that it would all end in tears.....

+1

Or Kimi!.....

And another +1

Cheers,
Ian

 

Oh come on!!! Seriously?? maulaf?? his comment was spot on and you know it. This whole thread was designed to inflame. Most of toils posts are to elevate Hamilton's status in some way and now he starts a whole new thread on it......usually that would not be a problem, but in context I think maulaf was correct and you've banned the wrong person.

Please just think about it IN CONTEXT.

 

Good...you are paying attention.