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F355 Limp Mode

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  1. KMR968Turbo

    KMR968Turbo Formula 3

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    I have an interesting problem come up intermittantly. Before heading the Laguna Seca I had all the fluids changed, new plugs and new plug wires installed. I hauled the car down to Laguna and ran on the track with the FCA for two days. Car ran great putting on at least 200 minutes a day on the track flat out. The only hiccup was when a friend of mine, who was sharing the car with me for the track day, came into the pits saying the car changed sound and wouldn't rev past 4000 rpm. Ferrari of San Francisco had techs there and one came over, checked the car out and could find nothing wrong. He figured at first that one of the intakes sucked in a piece of paper but the filters were all clear. So we turned off the battery and reset the ECU. Can ran great after that and the problem didn't occur again.

    Until yesterday. I was driving home from a car show in the pouring rain. I was steady state cruising at around 60 mph when the car got quieter and sounded funny. It also didn't rev past 4000 rpm. I figured I should pull off the road investigate further and put on my turn signal. On the very first blink of my turn signal the car roared and everything came back to normal. It drove all the way home after that with no problems.

    Sounds like I might have an electrical or ground issue. Any ideas?
     
  2. eyboro

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    d the same issue recently after a track day at Road America, mechanic at Lake Forest says alternator belt had become loose and some various bolts need to be replaced, $1700 damage to my pocket book.
     
  3. phrogs

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    Check you ECU's for the cats, I am telling you mine got wet and holy **** car died on me
     
  4. drbob101

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    You need to look at the SDECU ad phrogs said. It sounds as if you are getting a bank shutdown as a result of that system. You may have a hot cat or a malfunctioning SDL system.
     
  5. KMR968Turbo

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    Sorry, I should have mentioned that my car is a Challenge and I don't believe it needs cats. The alternator thing intrigues me though as I did have a bearing chirping a while ago that went away and one time on cold start my digital voltage gauge was slow to show anything. Something I will have to investigate.
     
  6. taz355

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    Eric did it backfire at all first or just drop the bank?
     
  7. bobzdar

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    Does it still have the cat ecu's? Exact same problem happened to my car (intermittent limp mode), it was the passenger cat ecu. I have test pipes so unplugged both and no problems since.
     
  8. Shootfighter65

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    How do you unplug cat ecu?
     
  9. KMR968Turbo

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    Taz - No backfire, just a change in engine sound (got quieter) and reluctance to build RPM. When it came back '"on" it was instantaneous. The engine barked up to full RPM and was normal.

    bobzdar: I don't think it has cat ECU's as it's a Challenge car.
     
  10. INTMD8

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    Maybe losing one of the crank sensors? Try to determine if a bank is dropping out.
     
  11. Shootfighter65

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    I think it's a tcu
     
  12. drbob101

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    You have three SDECU. There are two connections on them. A four position plug and a two position plug. The 4 wire one is the one that goes to the ecu. If you want to dc your sdl system unplug it.

    Good luck. I think it's foolish
     
  13. bobzdar

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    They're in the rear corners near the taillights in the side, just unplug the wire that runs to the main ecus.

    Challenge cars (and other 2.7 cars) just have two, one for each side. 5.2's have three.
     
  14. bobzdar

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    Not if you don't have cats, then it can only throw a false alarm.
     
  15. tr512

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    I've never tried it on the 5.2 system but i would think if you DC that it would go into limp mode?
     
  16. phrogs

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    Runs perfectly fine disconected.

    Thermocuple or the main plug that goes to the ecu.

    Unplug and it will run just fine. The slow down light Will flash in this configuration.
     
  17. bobzdar

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    Disconnecting the thermocouple only works if the cat ecu isn't bad. In my case, it didn't even throw a sdl when I unplugged the thermocouple and stayed in limp mode. When I unplugged the cat ecu the sdl light came on and it went out of limp mode.
     
  18. tr512

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    Thanks
    Good to know.
     
  19. drbob101

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    When I bench tested all this stuff if you dc the Tc the SDECU would output 5v which should trigger a sdl or bank shutdown. I have taps on my SDECU outputs now and if I unplug the harness connector I get 5v on the signal line ( bias voltage)

    I don't understand how those that dc everything don't get sdl or bank shutdowns. The only way to completely understand this is to tap the outputs of these cd systems and see what the motronics.
     
  20. Shootfighter65

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    I'm asking for the purpose of diagnosing not putting a bandaid on a bullet wound. I appreciate your concern and I agree with you.
     
  21. taz355

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    Bob when i unplug my 99 it goes straight to solid sdl and bank shutdown.
     
  22. bobzdar

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    The 2.7 system operates differently. If you unplug them, the sdl light comes on but no limp mode. Both of my sdl lights are on, but as I have no cats,the cat ecu's were monitoring nothing. If the exhaust temp ever got hot enough to trip an sdl light without cats, I'd probably already be running around the back of the car with a fire extinguisher.
     
  23. drbob101

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    That's how it should respond. The 5v bias should look to the motronics as a overheated cat. Limp mode is triggered at around 3v
     
  24. drbob101

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    I didn't know 2.7 operated differently than 5.2. Thank you
     

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