Hamiltons performances as dominant as senna according to David coulthard

Senna was driving a real car. Lewis is driving a computer with a power unit.

 

Lol. Lots of politics in that race. Ickx was the clerk of the course-and a factory Porsche driver- and when it appeared that the quickly closing Senna was going to take the lead he waived the flag giving the porsche powered Mcl of Prost an undeserved victory. Ickx was thereafter relieved of his duties as he did not consult with race officials. Too bad for Prost- if the race had gone the distance assuming he would have retained second he would have garnered 6 points as opposed to the 4.5 awarded him due to the race ending prematurely. Prost lost the Wdc by .5 points to Lauda that year.

 

Would be interesting to see if they use the same scale (promedoy index or something?) to judge how fast the w05 really was. I think it was far quicker than the F2002 (compared to other teams).

So yeah, fully agree, especially with the last statement that the Merc is the fastest in history.

 

Hamilton - Rosberg team orders started as early as 2013 Sepang race. 2 races into the season!

Sure. No team orders

 

LOLOLOLOLO, WE have to admit Pete, the guy is funny!!!

 

Yup

 

You can always tell drivers are equal when after a race in which they crash, the team remains absolutely impartial and protect both drivers, regardless of personal feelings of blame, just take the love and care rosberg received after the racing incident at spa, how fatherly Niki Lauda and toto Wolff were, how they didn't comment at all until the dust had settled and debriefs held with their two equal drivers. Nico is so lucky they demonstrate their love so freely......... Lolololololololololol.

For my next joke, there's an Englishman, Irishman and and Scotsman................

 

I just thought of another that sticks in my kind, it was when rosberg cross the line in Monaco to win, and the camera switched to toto Wolff, and he had a look on his face like he'd just stepped in the biggest turd he'd ever seen, rather than smiling at how well his driver had done to concentrate around the principality for 70 laps and win for Mercedes.

 

That's fatherly love all the way.....

 

Senna was getting caught by 3rd place. Senna would of caught Prost, and 3rd would of taken them both.

Prost was simply holding back from what he could do - he had extra, he just had a higher value on his life than the others.

 

Hamilton, with a career of good cars, has shown himself well. Vettel, without a career of great cars, has shown himself well.

However - its sort of pointless to compare drivers of different eras.

Graham Hill and Jimmy Clark flipped a coin for who would win a race. Can't really compare an era like that to today, when teammates collide and block each other.

 

*shakes head *

 

I could not agree with you more. Lately, I have not looked at it in that perspective. Whereas Hamilton, Massa and even Kimi all had a very close and competitive 2008 season, it was the mishap of Glock that ultimately gave Hamilton that win. I agree with you in the sense that if that did not happen, Hamilton would not even be in the same sentence as Schumacher, Senna or even Vettel. I will admit, I used to be a Vettel hater, but I will give respect where respect is due, the man can drive a crap car and get great results. If Flock of seagulls were in the same position, he would be a mid pack guy at best. Ala 2009,2010 McLaren cars.

 

Give over. Hamilton was the most prepared F1 driver in history. He did 5000km of testing starting in November 2006. No other rookie got the same break.


Not only that but he has always been in a winning team and always will be. Ecclestone and CVC will pretty much guarantee that Hamilton is in a top team because of the commercial value he brings to the sport. Many of his fans are casual fans so if he is off form due to a bad car the viewing numbers (especially in America) will dip sharply.

Awesome driver but a very priveleged one too. This is why I cant stand it when he whines and moans when things are not going his way.

Compare that to Schumacher....utterly professional to the very last lap.

 

I remember Schumacher in his penultimate race, the engine having blown and gifting the title to Alonso, walking around the garage Shaking the hands and thanking every member of the team for their hard work in putting him in a position to fight for the championship to the last. He's a class act.

If that happened to elton, can you imagine the hissy fit he'd have, the whining and moaning, the blaming the team, the cries of being cheated, anything and everything would be thrown at the team from him, they would be vilified! That's the class difference

 

Exactly. I remember reading stories of Schumacher burning the midnight oil with his mechanics in Maranello and they must have been hungry so Schumi jumps into his company car, a Ferrari 456 GT, and drives into town to a pizzeria and orders 20 large pizzas and loads them into his car and hammers back at night to his mechanics so they can carry on working, analysing data and other things.

There was a reason he was #1 in his team......it is because he worked so hard and earned it!

 

You're kidding right?

2007-08 = as fast as the Ferrari.
09 as dominant as the brawn was, it was still able to win a race and podium regularly
2010-2012 mix of championship contenders, race winners, constantly on the podium. Definitely not slow cars.
2013 was the wordt car he drove, and after some illegal testing the car was quick.
2014 - ???? Fastest cars relative to their competitors ever.

For Vettel:
2007-08 a Toro rosso, which he dragged to a win, near podium before Hamilton caused a crash, couple of 4ths...and seriously out raced is 4x champcar champion.
09-13 championship contenders, 1 dominant car (if the driver could get his head round the ebd which Webber rarely could) and one stretch of pure dominance on his own car where others where very quick too.
14 rb was 2nd best but nowhere near the mercedes. It only could win when the mercs messed up proper.
15 admittedly it's a good car, but not on the same level as the mercedes by some ways. Managed to get the first honest win where mercedes didn't mess up of anyone.

I rank it as 6 championship capable cars for Hamilton and 3-4 for vettel

 

One can only assume so......

 

Told you he was a funny guy!!

 

Stop with the facts. We like blind opinions around here.

 

Just counting WCC seasons is a bit pointless.

2007 was just 1 point shy of WCC.

2008 was just 21 points, even with the useless kovalainen

2010 was just 44 points (new point system) and incredibly close until the last race.

Even 2012 should be counted, which might have actually been lost due to inconsistency.

You looked at just the numbers, you need to look at it objectively.

Except you won't because that means your boy will not look so good anymore.

 

Are you so blinded with love for lewis that you are unable to see how nonsensical that is, or are you just winding us up?

 

In other words, we should just throw out the numbers/stats and bring in some useless opinions...LOL