Hamiltons performances as dominant as senna according to David coulthard

I keep telling you guys....they are a very talented family in deed, comedy runs strong in their blood

 

I don't remember elton dominating anyone in 2007, I do remember he managed to put the car in the gravel entering the pit lane, and hitting the pit lane limiter mid race in Brazil, amateur hour. Alonso was hobbled by the team once he took offence at the teams's apparent favouritism towards the rookie novice, and everyone knows it, that's why Alonso made sure McLaren never won the 2007 championship, he threw it for them, and taught them a lesson in skullduggery in retaliation for their reneging on their contract with him by grassing up their spying....

 

You and tesla only know black and white and nothing in between and then you call that "facts" or "objective analysis"...
Car won WCC -> dominant car
Car did not won WCC -> crap car
Team mate won a WDC -> toughest team mate ever
Team mate won no WDC -> nobody
Again: if Hamilton beats a good team mate then he is the best (although a good team mate like Alonso also means that the car does win the WDC), if he beats a useless team mate (like Kovallainen) then he is the best because the car did not win the WCC (as Kovallainen did not collect enough points). So at the end you have found an "argument" to whitewash every result like it is an epic achievement of Hamilton...

OK, here are a few more "facts": Hamilton was neither the first to win in the McLaren during his McLaren year (that was Alonso) nore the last (that was Jenson Button) so he did nothing others could not do as well....
He was also not the first to win in the Mercedes, that was Rosberg...

Both Toro Rosso and Red Bull never won a race before Vettel was driving for them and they never won a race after he left...How about these "facts"?

 

Alonso+ Kovalainen +Button..............4 poles TOTAL

Hamilton..........26 poles

26 MUCH MUCH > 4

Hamilton had 4 or more poles in 4 different seasons. While 1xWDC+ 2xWDC + Kov had 4 poles COMBINED for 6 season at McLaren.

According to you guys the McLaren 2007-2012 was a top car.

Why so little poles for 3 capable drivers if the car was so good?

Is this another stat we should just throw out the window?

 

That is not a good stat to bring up. The last guy that won with RB won 3 times under Vettel's nose.

 

Why? It just shows how good Daniel is....maybe.

 

It's funny how last year lewis fanbois said poles mean little "you don't get points for pole"....this year it's suddenly very important.

 

Oh FFS.

I need a break.

 

I meant that it doesn't show good for Vettel.
In my opinion, Daniel and Max are the real deal. At least from what I've seen so far.

 

nah...just laugh it off.

 

Please show me where I stated that poles don't matter.
Btw, we are talking about poles during the 6 McLaren years against 3 capable drivers.

 

LOL, thank you sooooo much for pointing that out...This is exactly what I was waiting for!!!!
I laid out the trap and you jumped in with full weight...

Re-read what I have written and you will see that there is absolutely nothing wrong, it is a fact....What is questionable is the conclusion one takes out of this and this is exactly what your "facts" look like: the numbers are right but the conclusions are plain wrong. You just proved my point that these "facts" are usable in every direction you want to use them and this is exactly what you guys do all the time. The "facts" driver xyz won y races and got x pole positions are right but they say absolutely nothing about reality

Or to make it more obvious: you guys say that Hamilton had 26 poles and his team mates 4. This might be impressive but even more interesting is the fact that Kovalainen got ONE pole as well. Taking into account that he certainly was the worst of the 4 Ferrari/McLaren drivers this means that the McLaren must have been much better than you guys want to make us believe, otherwise Kovalainen would have ZERO poles....
Furthermore you always point out that Hamilton beat WDC team mates and did not get NO.1 status but the one WDC he got (prior the most dominant Mercedes ever) was against the worst team mate he might have ever had and there was absolutely no need for a No.1 status because Kovalainen was never a challenge. So not that much of an achievement beating him...And although the car did not win a WDC it was obviously good enough to give Heikki his ONLY F1 victory in his entire career..But toil represents the car as it was crap because it was no WDC car...By the way: what did you count the 2007 McLaren for, WDC or not?

 

That's interesting.....I said it's what Hamilton fanbois said, and you clearly think I was referring to you.

hmmmmmm

 

that's not the contention.

The contention is that Hamilton has never had anything BUT good cars and that's not the case with Vettel.

I don't think anyone would argue that the RB wasn't a dominating car, especially when Vettel won his 4th title....but it wasn't when he initially joined the team and definitely the TR was far from a dominating car. As has been said, neither team won anything before he came along.

Anyway....who cares? Vettel doesn't appear to be on anyone's GOAT list as yet (don't know why though)...so comparing Lewis to him proves what??

 

All current drivers were excluded.

Cheers,
Ian

 

Proves elton is not as good as the current top ranked driver in f1, that's what. Four championships. Ah, but we know, it's not based on wins, or elton is really a long way down the pile, and include any other top driver from history, and he is an average driver at best.

Bearing in mind that ayrton, schumi and the rest had little more than half the races in a season compared to elton, their wins, poles, points, overall results would be absolutely unassailable by the fool, it's the system of points and number of races per season that helps mere quick drivers like him look good. They also all had to spend a rookie year, or two, in rubbish machinery before getting into a car worthy of their talent, unlike rons foster son.

I don't rate him, never will, and his fanboys antics only serve to make him less likeable and the target of more jokes than they can imagine

 

Hamilton dropped into a championship capable Mclaren, a car perhaps if not for the drivers, was the class of the field.

Mclaren kept it up for a short period, then entered steady decline. Will the same happen to Mercedes with Hamilton?

On the other hand, Vettel did not start his career with a championship capable car, yet pulled off an epic victory in the rain.

The Red Bull was not as dominant with its four championships, as four in a row would imply. It went out on a spectacular season, and perhaps this is what is remembered.

 

So what exactly are the others?
An average driver that beat Alonso in his rookie year, beat Button, beat Rosberg.
Those guys still in karting class?
They all at some point had the same equipment and the same number of races when they went against him.
Where are the wdcs, poles, wins, fastest laps?

 

You and toil playing tag team again?

He beat Alonso, button and Rosberg......but guess what? They beat him too!!

So...I guess, on average, that all those drivers are average....except that Button, Alonso and Rosberg have all had good results in cars that were rubbish.

 

All Vettel fanboys can talk about is Monza 2008.
To accumulate the numbers that Vettel accumulated in just 4 years then try to convince someone that he didn't have a dominant car is pretty ridiculous.
What exactly happened to him in 2014? You say he can get good results from mediocre cars. As soon as the car performance dropped so did he. This would all be normal for anyone on the grid except for the fact that another guy with the same equipment won 3 races. You're still talking about one race in 2008, but you don't want to mention the 3 races in 2014. Mark my words, he will get exposed again. As soon as Ricciardo, Verstappen, Hulkenberg join Ferrari he will be in big trouble.
I was hoping old man Kimi would retire so we can see the fireworks next year.

 

We don't want to overload you with common sense.
We have to administer it in small dosages

 

well, thanks for being considerate.

 

So what happened to Hamilton in 2012?
Anyone can have a bad year, once things go wrong it's easy to lose the drive and dedication to remain at the top of the points.

You think Vettel coming off 4 WDC gave a damn about 3 place in the wdc? He was also in position to win before ricci but pit strategy ruined his races. After Canada he clearly dropped further. He was on his way out of RB with a team that was no longer his(likely due to his attitude at the end of 2014). He also had a child that year.

RB has fallen apart since his departure. FALLEN APART. Ricci is a fabulous driver but clearly vettels setup input is superior.

People love Vettels 2014 like one year makes a career. Every team he's gone to has improved and overachieved. Every team he has left has fallen apart immediately. This has happened 3 times and is no mistake. The kid has the ability to elevate teams like no one else in the grid currently.