Hamiltons performances as dominant as senna according to David coulthard

Most here agree on that? Really?

Where are your facts? Just as everything else, you imagine it and conclude it as fact because you think it supports your argument (which is what exactly? Getting us to admit Hamilton is better?).

 

Most people.....hummm, you, you, you and you......ok that's 4 votes for Elton...sure you wan't to count the ones for Vettel? Hell, you could make a poll, go for it!!! Please do it, it will be fun, and you get to vote!!!

 

+1

One is a spoilt brat who's only driven for top teams and the other is a spoilt brat who started at the bottom and worked his way up.

 

The post above from three days ago resulted in a Mods post below and a ban.

Now we have this post below.

I wonder if the result will be the same action?

 

It is not your view that you use to stir but you already know that. Carry on, I just think you keep pushing no matter what.

I ask again, is it wise be calling people trolls when someone was just banned for calling you a troll???????

 

Let me go on record as one of the FChatters who do not think Hamilton is better than Vettel. I'm not a Hamilton hater, but don't see much more than a fast car.

Like Hamilton, I have seen Vettel drive the fastest car. Until I saw him drive through the field from a back marker position, I didn't know his driving skills. I remember Alonso driving through the field that way as well. I mostly see Hamilton driving in clean air due to his car's performance, but only remember him apologizing to his team for blowing the race.

As for a Senna-Hamilton comparison, I wouldn't put them in the same league either. Senna drove passionately.

If Hamilton had stayed with McLaren, he would have been in the same situation where Alonso finds himself at McLaren. Both are very good drivers, but circumstances control their place in history.

 

he's Teflon....nothing sticks!!

Toil won't get a ban, and maulaf shouldn't have either.

 

no internet the rest of the week?

You're definitely right on that one...congratulations.

 

I think there is no comparison between Vettle and Hamilton... Vettle wins hands down.

good car or not. I think Vettle has the mentality to work with the team and pull them along... Hamilton is all about Hamilton.

that beign said - my wife reported to me that Kendall Jenner is dating Hamilton? ... was not sure who she was - but is tied to the Kardashian clan???? that is all F-1 needs, to confirm its a total circus.

 

Disagreement is not the same as trolling and the constant accusations of "trolling" flying back and forth are one thing starting the bickering. As per the announced standards (everyone please read this link carefully) for enforcement of respectful conduct, a 1-month ban has been applied.

Please read the bit in the link above about using the report feature and not derailing threads by responding to or discussing problematic posts throughout the thread.

People asked for increased moderation to cease the endless bickering that was destroying the F1 forum and you're getting it. It's not fun for me either, but the net result should be positive for everyone.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

excellent observation.

Re the dating thing, I think Lewis is tapping everything that moves currently, to his credit..

 

The triangle theory doesn't work in boxing and it won't work in F1.

 

+1 I see Vettel much more like Senna and Schumacher on his level of commitment to work with the mechanics late into the night and not criticize the team in public, nor take all of the credit when things are going well. I see Hamilton more like James Hunt a very quick driver that shows up and drives well, but is the first to criticize the team if things don't go well and take credit for being a great driver. He also seems to be more interested in his life outside Formula 1 like Hunt than any of the other drivers on the grid. I know that I would pick Vettel if I was a current team owner.

 

Hamilton getting into Kendall Jenner? If that's the girl I think it is, I may have something to cheer him for. The one I'm thinking of is hot.... Just hope the story is right and it's not Caitlin though! (That's the one in the papers? Right?, the uk is very behind on us gossip columns)

 

Just checked, she is the hot one. Check out her trying the self tan product she promotes!

 

Really? I tend to stay away from these threads because they tend to be pissing matches among a select crew, but since you're not one of the regulars I will question if you've never seen Hamilton drive through the field? Outside of this year, he's had quite a few instances of driving from the back of the grid (see Silverstone 2014 and Hungary 2014 for two I can think of off the top of my head).

Regarding Vettel vs Hamilton, when he was at RBR and winning, most F-Chatters wrote him off the same way Hamilton is being written off now. Alonso and Ham were seen as the class of the field with Vettel the next step down (due to driving a superior car). Same happened to MS when he was with Benneton (not on F-Chat, just tifosi sentiment), accused of driving illegal cars and nowhere near the driver as Senna or Prost, etc.

Generally, these are just opinionated, animated bickering sessions. Most drivers are not rated until the conclusion of their careers. By the time Hamilton and Vettel are finished, both will be in rarified air of multi-WDC winners. Wait...they already are!

Also, I like Hamiton but I just can't compare him to Senna. Senna was a generational talent, but his apolitical style was as big a part of his career as his speed. The fact he won 3 WDC's in spite of having heavy opposition with Balestre makes the feats more impressive. He had more to work against than Hamilton, so I just don't see the comparisons beyond wins and titles. Different drivers, different eras, different circumstances.

 

I just hope it's not Bruce!

 

I think this has nothing to do with Hamilton/Vettel, I think it would take neither away the achievements of Hamilton nor the ones from Vettel. First of all none of us knows what was going on behind closed doors and nobody knows (due to his privacy) whether there was something with the family of Vettel or whether his priorities changed that year due to the birth of his child.
On the other hand I would not say that Hamilton is bad because one day one is comming and beat him. The things from the past have nothing to do with it...
I personally think that this is rather a constructed argument against Vettel because you actually do not find anything else...And before you again rate me as Vettel fanboy, I would not vote him in the GOAT-list either, I just do not see that much difference between Hamilton and Vettel like you do...Both win in good cars.

 

I think what you're forgetting is that Vettel already had a foot out of the door early on in the season (also during this time he had a massively unreliable car, which only started to improve after Austria I think).

The teams priority was not Vettel anymore. Obviously they would not let him into any team secrets any longer. IIRC the deal was done in June, whilst negotiations started as early as April...

 

Plus, I can't remember ricciardo having an easy time winning at all, it was down to reliability issues for Mercedes, while he raced well, it was luck rather than an outright race win (I think, I haven't bothered looking too hard mind you). Vettel had many more issues with the car, and also, had to adjust to a different system within a team preparing for his departure and trying their best to restrict his knowledge of the systems and their development, while putting their best efforts behind the 'loyal' chap who would continue to fly their flag after the season end

 

I've heard all the 1001 excuses boys. New baby, Schumacher's accident, reliability, Ferrari deal, lost motivation after 4 WDCs. There is no need to repeat them.

RED BULL team boss Christian Horner says the pure pace of Aussie driver Daniel Ricciardo led to the departure of Sebastian Vettel.

Horner made the admission to BBC that Ricciardo’s ascent in F1 and his superior driving was “probably a factor” in Vettel deciding to leave Red Bull, the team the German had won four world championships with.

Horner said the Italian Grand Prix, where Ricciardo overtook Vettel, was a huge influence in his decision to join Ferrari.

“He was enormously frustrated after that grand prix,” Horner told the BBC F1 review show.


Vettel says of Ricciardo: ‘If he’s quicker than me, I have to accept it’


This is why Vettel will never be in the same league as Hamilton or Alonso.
Unless those two also start talking like that or running away when they get beat by their teammate.

Wait a minute, Alonso ran away too. I guess that leaves only Hamilton as the driver that is SCARED OF NO ONE.

 

Cute.

But, contract was signed somewhere in June and Italian gp was in September

 

Cute. One quote is from his boss that knows more about the situation than all of us combined. The other quote is straight from Vettel.

But we are still in denial.