Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Up to a certain HP level, the excitement of driving a car increases with the HP, but past that, there aren't really any noticeable increments 'steps'. Yes the excitement will still build up, but it's almost academic.

On a any given stretch of mountain highway, just about everyone can max out say a Miata. Would be very fun. it will be even more fun to do so in say 330HP Nissan 370Z, quite lot of people can max that out too. And of course it will be even more fun in a GT3RS which is designed to carve out corners after corners. But how many drivers can max out that? I could of course go a bit faster on that stretch in a 918 than in the RS and not even be close to the car's limit. But there is a point of diminishing return. The limiting factor is the driver himself.

A Singer is not the fastest car around, not even close, but it makes the right noise, carve corners good enough, provide enough feed back that just about anyone wouldn't think of wishing to be in another car on that stretch of road, or any other roads.

On a track it will be a different story. There the advantage of of very high HP hypercar will show, but still the driver will again be the limiting factor.

 

On a race track cars with less HP can be a lot faster than cars with more HP.

I very much doubt that any of these three could run a Ring VLN GP+NS at 8:14 in traffic, with speed limits, even on race rubber. I VERY much doubt any of these three could run lap after lap after lap at that pace. Remember we race with ballast at 1350KG with restricted 480HP.

Personally I find it a bit sad that the only one of these three who has run a confirmed NS lap at a VERY fast pace for a street legal car is Porsche.
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Obviously these road cars are much heavier than race cars, and also have much less downforce. It is probably true that they couldn't run lap after lap at those speeds - these cars were designed to be very fast road cars, not race cars.

Race cars do not have electrically adjusted seats, passenger seats, road legal emission systems, or suspensions that can take an English pothole or two. So it is comparing apples and oranges. The whole purpose of the race car is to go as fast as possible on a closed circuit; these hypercars are designed to be the fastest road cars and yet be able to be driven on public streets, which is necessarily a compromise.

 

Even on the street, a car with less HP can be as much fun if not more than a car with more. A proper track just means someone can stay on the throttle for that much longer.

We are already way past the limit of HP/fun factor with the newest round of hypercars on the street. The headline HP figure is just a headline grabber, nothing more.

The GT3RS is like what, another 10-15 seconds behind a 918 on the Ring? Honestly that means very little to me right now, I truly enjoyed driving the RS more. One of my best buddies has both the P1 and the 918 and the RS, he does't even give a hoot about the P1 being slower, the feeling of speed is greater in the P1, he likes it more but he likes his Hellcat the best. It's the feel of speed that matters, not the actual speed.

 

There are fully street legal versions of our car and the Porsche's we race that are very close to the version we both race. We race with road legal emission systems. Our suspension systems are much stronger than those in road cars and can take much more abuse. We race at similar weight as hypercars weigh 1350KG. A passenger seat is bolt in. We don't race with one because that's where the required bolt in ballast goes during the race. Our drivers seat and pedals are easily adjustable for a wide range of drivers. Our race wheels and tires and our road tires are dimensionally the same and are a bolt on/bolt off change requiring no suspension adjustment. We race with AC. We do make much more downforce and mechanical grip. We offer Road/Race versions, a Competizione Stradale, as well as Luxury Road versions with ANY luxury one can dream of and want for their road version. In full road trim even on road legal tires our car would likely be faster for a hot lap of The Ring.

I agree that the purpose of these three is Hypercar's for the road especially as no version of them is elegible to race a real race anywhere and they all do that really well but in the past the top Ferrari Road cars had similar race versions and now they don't.

 

Agree totally. Even for Road Racing the Porsche GT3RS seems a lot more suited than the La...

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Not for the past 25 years or so. They are not interested in that anymore and the regulations don't lend themselves to such a project. Stop dwelling over it.

As for the unsuitability of LaFerrari's platform to become a race car, I only have to say FXX-K. For every smoking LaFerrari, there are numerous smoking Porsches and other cars. It just happens sometimes and bad usage has a lot to do with it. Cheers.

 

I have only to say compare the FXXK's time at Spa against GT3's or a Radical for that matter and get back to us.

As for the ultimate track day toy even at 4X the price of an FxxK I'm more interested in the new Bug.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxp6jqcr4RY

 

The K is not tuned for absolute lap times, as it is not a race car. Owners here that also race GT3s say that it has much more potential than their race cars though.

As for that Bug, it doesn't exist. It is a mock up for a video game. You might as well have preferred the Starship Enterprise; just as real.

 

Is there some part of it's sitting on the floor of The Frankfort auto show that you're unable to understand?

You talk to Bug about the possibility of buying one? They're still at dinner but they'll be around the stand tomorrow. Tell them you'll pay 10mme for one. You might be surprised.

"They think" a FXXK has real race car potential?

Do tell what real race an FXXK will EVER race in. The stopwatches at SPA are real. "They think" speaks for itself.

As for your other silly comment that those days are gone next time I see Porsche I'll pass on your thoughts. I'm sure they'll rush out and cancel their GT3RS.

 

Since you brought lap times onto the table, you should provide the relevant data. Same driver and conditions of course.

They will build an one-off prototype track car for 10 millions, you say. How is that relevant? Any manufacturer could do that. Hell, buy yourself an F1 car instead.

Porsche's GT3 you are saying? Ferrari also builds GT3 class race cars. Your gripe is with LaFerraris, P1s and 918s not racing, we all know that. Well, get over it, those days are gone!

 

Ferrari makes a street legal GT3? I didn't know that. Those days are gone"!"? (What's with these !!!?) Are you saying the Porsche GT3 that they drove from the factory with a road plate and then raced doesn't exist? How about the Aston Chris Harris drove with a road plate and then raced? That one doesn't exist either? How about our's that after her last 24 we put a road plate on and drove her from Turin to Como the next weekend. That one not exist either?

As an aside there is a road legal FXX and several road legal P1 GTR's in the works. If one wanted a road legal FXXK that could probably happen as well. (UK for starters) The difference between those the the ones above remains that neither are real race cars. It's nice to see we agree on something.

La/Fxxk/918/P1/P1 GTR are all very cool and those who own them are very lucky. It's nice that all are sold out and that there are enough who want one or more of them to do that. Great times for car lovers.

I do like that new Bug.

Ciao

 

Didn't seem to make the full 24 hrs., but appears to have set a new lap record in the BH flats - diplomatic immunity's the new carbon fiber.

 

there ist no requirement for a minimum IO to buy a HyperCar nor any sports car for that matter!

To heat up the drivers car debate please all look at the Goodwood revival St Mary's trophy video!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4SlbKXVVz10

None of these cars were made for racing, but being a spectator at that race is much more exiting and entertaining than any GT3 race! And the drivers are having a lot of fun. Serious racing and lots of overtaking. Wheel to wheel. And look at the driver line up.

Rauno Aaltonen, Emanuelle Pirro, Chris Hoy, Andy Priaux, Jochen Maas, Steve Soper, Mark Blundell, Darren Turner and many other stars.

And you can exploit the acceleration and cornering potential to the full on the road very easily. And for sure if you can master one of these cars which have no driver aids at all your car control ability will significantly improve.

So that proves that a well sorted race prepared Ford Anglia 105E is more than a match for a GT3 RS

So think again! Just imagine how much money you save! for £ 10K the perfect two door drivers car!

 

If I'd a billionare, I'd call maranello to buy something like a street legal FxxK.. an extreme LaFe

 

Which proves that just about any car can race if modified properly. End of story.

 

I really like the Bugatti concept, I'm hoping that they make a track focused limited edition of their next road car. I know for a fact they wouldn't have difficulty in selling them.

 

True.

 

Making a street legal Fxxk is something that could be done. If anyone is interested let us know.

 

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Jim did you ever get to drive the LaFerrari yourself? You mentioned some time ago that a friend of yours was getting a LaFerrari....

 

It has definitely made the non-enthusiast rounds. Wife came home and mentioned that people at her office (tech firm in NYC, no one there drives) were all talking about it...

 

What is the FXXK's time at Spa?

 

Without the technology these cars would be very scary. The thing I noticed with the p1, is that even with all the systems off I could 'feel' the car as I lose grip. Steering feedback is great and correction occurs naturally with opposite lock. All this is very enjoyable. I tried to push the 918 with the systems off, somehow it managed to correct itself and the correction felt very unnatural.
Walter Rohrls slide in the 918 before the crash is kind of the situation I was in. Luckily I didn't crash.

A bit of a hairy moment that makes me think twice of pushing the car past the limit with the traction off. The car is amazing, a technological tour de force. Its just that the P1 feels more natural to drive, and communicates the chassis better when pushed hard.