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92_348 turn signal issue

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  1. 2mmuch

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    so all of a sudden my rh turn signal no longer works. I can hear it clicking real fast but no lights. Lh side works fine, 4 way makes all lights work also. No burnt out bulbs. Check fuses no all good. Did a search found a lot of postings with the same issue but non have a resolution. Open the flasher unit and there is nothing broken inside, but can it still be malfunctioning. There is a mico chip inside so it could be having an issue. The 348 only has one flasher so I don't have a spare. Does anyone have a wiring diagram on the flasher, I was thinking of re-wiring it to see if there are two sides and make the signal switch to the other side.
     
  2. plugzit

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    Hi Luigi!
    I used your old 348 engine cover on the tree car! Many thanks, saved me mucho bucks!
    If it's clicking real fast, there's a bulb not working (not enough resistance). Maybe a wiring issue since no bulbs are burned out. Isolate it by watching which bulb doesn't blink.
    Bruce
     
  3. 2mmuch

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    Hi Bruce.
    Great to here you where able to use the engine cover.
    All the bulbs flash fine when the 4 ways are running but when I put on just the right signal there are no bulbs flashing, front or back. I removed all of them and tested each one, no issues. I cleaned all the contacts putting them back in and check to make sure the spring piece behind each bulb was pushing up. I'm stumped. If it was a bulb you would see it when the 4 ways are on.
     
  4. 2mmuch

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    anyone have or know where I can get a wiring diagram soon I can trace back all the grounds on the turn signal circuit.
     
  5. plugzit

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    Does the switch feel normal going into the righthand position? They tend to break at the end of the stalk. Flashers would still work.
     
  6. Qavion

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    If you can hear the clicking with a right turn, then there has to be a signal coming from the stalk. Assuming that the 348 is similar to the 355, I'd say that the flasher relay/unit is faulty. The output from the flasher unit is ok using the hazard switch, which uses the different wiring to the flasher unit, but the same wiring from the flasher unit to the lights (it's just processed differently inside the flasher unit). The hazard lights may not be affected in the same way as turn indications by high resistances in the lighting circuit by increasing the speed of the flash (Perhaps someone can confirm this next time they have a faulty bulb).

    Electrical diagrams are found in the Workshop Manual

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    Good luck with those diagrams. They seem a lot clearer than the F355 online diagrams, but are still broken up into 4 parts. I've just spent several days trying to convert the four blurry pdf files for the F355 into a single legible diagram, but it's still a work in progress. Some of the symbols are completely illegible and the diagrams use unfamiliar expressions, such as "cable multiplication" and "front shunt" :p

    Cheers
     
  7. 4rePhill

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    It could be the flash relay playing up but that's easy enough to check and the relay is a pretty standard component.

    It could also be due to the indicator column switch being broken internally. (These switches seem to be a bit fragile inside and prone to various parts breaking)

    I had to replace the column switch assembly on My 348 as the indicator switch would not centre correctly after use, often leaving the left hand indicators still operating when the indicator lever was in the middle, and the daylight/headlight flash stopped working on the other stalk due to the plastic internals breaking.

    It cost Me £995 ($1500) for a brand new switch assembly (I had to get it sorted to get the car through it's annual MOT test), and decided that a second-hand switch assembly was too much of a gamble.

    The hazard warning lights operate off two mini-relays mounted behind the panel that the hazard warning switch is in and so all four indicators should still work if there are no bulb issues.
     
  8. Qavion

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    I stand corrected. Sounds like the 348 is completely different from the 355. Ignore my previous comments :p
     
  9. 2mmuch

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    Thanks for the diagrams.

    I did a resistance check at the relay and the LH side which is working shows 297 and the RH side shows 287, less resistance which confirms there is a different in resistance getting to the relay. I am going to dig deeper into it today. Will post what I find.
    Thanks


     
  10. 2mmuch

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    so after a lot of resistance checking and tracing wires from the diagrams, I traced the issue back into my steering wheel column. There are a couple of blue wires heat shrunk to a single wire and one of them has come lose. Fixed it and I can now starting turning right again. Thanks to all for your help.
     
  11. 4rePhill

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    Thank you for the update and conclusion.

    One of the most frustrating things about car forum sites is when someone has an issue, gets suggestions off other site members but then never comes back to say what the cause and solution was, so again, thank you!
     

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