Miura, the original supercar | Page 566 | FerrariChat

Miura, the original supercar

Discussion in 'LamborghiniChat.com' started by joe sackey, Dec 5, 2006.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

    May 23, 2006
    57,525
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joe Sackey
    Ive posted this video of Sandie Shaw driving a Miura before way back in this thread, and although it shows quite a bit of Miura detail in 1969, I can't clarify which one it is, it looks white to me

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K360XbgseY[/ame]
     
  2. BBBBBBB

    BBBBBBB Formula Junior

    Jun 6, 2015
    345
    Full Name:
    Ben
    lovely video, no mirrors, no shoes, lovely music *****

    Carissimi saluti
    Ben
     
  3. BBBBBBB

    BBBBBBB Formula Junior

    Jun 6, 2015
    345
    Full Name:
    Ben
    #14128 BBBBBBB, Sep 24, 2015
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    Sandie Shaw London Wells Street 1967 with Miura (italian export plate 02452*EE, same plate featured in the factory picture Royal Observatory):

    a) Sandie Shaws legs - rear end. Date believed to be 25/09/1967.

    b) Sandie Shaws legs - roof party with Flics, aehm Bobbies. Date believed to be 26/07/1967

    Not her Miura ?

    S/N ?

    Carissimi saluti
    Ben
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  4. SimonSays

    SimonSays Karting

    Sep 14, 2005
    192
    SoCal
    Full Name:
    Simon
    The 2nd photo, on the roof, is the same shoot as the other 2 posted earlier. You can see the "to let" sign again:

    [​IMG]

    That said, it really looks like the first picture is also on that location, she has on the same dress and shoes...
     
  5. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

    May 23, 2006
    57,525
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joe Sackey
    #14130 joe sackey, Sep 25, 2015
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    FWIW that location with the TO LET sign in the background is actually in front of her own fashion boutique in London in 1967
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  6. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

    May 23, 2006
    57,525
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joe Sackey
    #14131 joe sackey, Sep 25, 2015
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    I don't know but anything's possible, if so she wouldn't be the only lady owner. She clearly liked cars. Here she drives the Rolls to the boutique, and again, the traffic warden is waiting to write her a ticket!
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  7. NürScud

    NürScud F1 Veteran

    Nov 3, 2012
    7,308
    Gentlemen i have a question about a Miura SVJ. Can someone tell me which is the s/n number of the specific car. The reason that i'm asking is firstly about my archive and secondly because i have another photo of the specific SVJ( i believe so) which has a different interior colour. I know that there are 2 SVJs in that colour but i can't find exactly from which one is the specific.


    http://i1003.photobucket.com/albums/af153/Gregory_058/VE12D2%201881_zpskzx3b4wi.jpg

    Thank you advance.
    Best
     
  8. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

    May 23, 2006
    57,525
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joe Sackey
    Miura SVJ 5090
     
  9. BBBBBBB

    BBBBBBB Formula Junior

    Jun 6, 2015
    345
    Full Name:
    Ben
    #14134 BBBBBBB, Sep 25, 2015
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    One more, this time a Benny and a Mini...and yes we finally see Jeff Banks. Date believed to be 1969.

    Carissimi saluti
    Ben
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  10. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

    May 23, 2006
    57,525
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joe Sackey
    #14135 joe sackey, Sep 25, 2015
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
  11. BBBBBBB

    BBBBBBB Formula Junior

    Jun 6, 2015
    345
    Full Name:
    Ben
    #14136 BBBBBBB, Sep 25, 2015
    Last edited: Sep 25, 2015
    thanks for the re-post of the picture:
    *a) Sandie Shaws legs - rear end. Date believed to be 25/09/1967.*

    oh finally we start speaking about the rear end !

    someone lost (???) the front end lefthandside number plate holder shown on the Royal Observatory Picture -
    therefore no surprise the tailpipes on the rear end lost as well ?

    to see the front number plate behind the windscreen on all Wells Street pictures is a little bit odd imho.

    btw: Are we sure these italian export number plates to belong to the car/s shown on the two locations Royal Observatory and Wells Street? Would not be the first time to see wrong number plates on wrong cars....especially if they are abroad.

    Joe: ouch in the meantime it is Sandies Miura ? Finally another lady owned Miura ? Do we have in the meantime news on this and proof for this ?

    Carissimi saluti
    Ben
     
  12. MiuraP400

    MiuraP400 Formula Junior

    Feb 3, 2008
    951
    Arizona
    Full Name:
    Jim
    The right tailpipe is just visible in that photo. It is the P400 style so it blends in with the asphalt. The left pipe is hidden by her legs.

    Cheers Jim
     
  13. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

    May 23, 2006
    57,525
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joe Sackey
    Jim you have special powers!
     
  14. BBBBBBB

    BBBBBBB Formula Junior

    Jun 6, 2015
    345
    Full Name:
    Ben
    #14139 BBBBBBB, Sep 25, 2015
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
  15. MiuraP400

    MiuraP400 Formula Junior

    Feb 3, 2008
    951
    Arizona
    Full Name:
    Jim
    #14140 MiuraP400, Sep 25, 2015
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    Ok I admit it is hard to see. Even bringing it in to some photography software did not make it obvious. If somebody has a higher resolution copy I think I get it to stand out more. But the low resolution copy posted did not give much to work with. Keep in mind you are looking for the P400 exhaust tips as shown in the first photo below. The black soot inside the tip is the most obvious thing in the second photo below. But due to its color it is also easy to dismiss it as the asphalt. The black paint on the tailpipe also makes it blend in.

    Cheers Jim
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  16. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

    May 23, 2006
    57,525
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joe Sackey
    The quad-tips were only on the Prototype as shown.
     
  17. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

    May 23, 2006
    57,525
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joe Sackey
    #14142 joe sackey, Sep 25, 2015
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    Just FWIW, the ex-General Motors P400 had no exhaust tips for a long time. GM Designer/owner Ed Taylor thought they ruined the lines of the rear end and wanted a flush, clean Kamm-tailed rear end. I saw that car quite a lot as Ed lived 5 mins from me, and I thought it looked pretty good.
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  18. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

    May 23, 2006
    57,525
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joe Sackey
    This really does make sense, because at the time (1967) the London Lamborghini importer was Lamborghini Concessionaires (Sales) Ltd. of Alie Street, London, E1, and, the Royal Greenwich Observatory being only a bit more than a stone's throw away would be a perfect location for some photography.
     
  19. em42

    em42 Formula 3

    Mar 30, 2008
    1,509
    #14144 em42, Sep 26, 2015
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    I don't think these are heading to Geneva. But maybe am I wrong. On the footage, the Islero appears to be dark brown and to have a small chrome strip on the sill. Whereas the Geneva car is as far as I remember 6003, which had a very large chrome strip under the sill. Only very few cars were made like that.

    There is a chance that 6003 is the car pictured on the postcard below, so I think that both the colour and the strip don't match. But it is only an assumption as the evidence are very weak!
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  20. NürScud

    NürScud F1 Veteran

    Nov 3, 2012
    7,308
    Thank you Mr Sackey.
     
  21. BBBBBBB

    BBBBBBB Formula Junior

    Jun 6, 2015
    345
    Full Name:
    Ben
    #14146 BBBBBBB, Sep 26, 2015
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2015
    Very interesting. I think:

    from Jan 1967 until June 1967: Mitchel & Brittain, 123 New Cross Rd, New Cross, London SE14

    from Sept 1967 until 1971: R.A. Woolsgrove, Alie Street, London E1, later changed name to Lamborghini Concessionaires (Sales) Ltd., trade name *The Italian Car Centre*

    Imho the Miura of Royal Observatory picture and the Miura pictured in the 3 Wells Street pictures differ on the front end lefthandside, one with number plate holder and the others without number plate holder.

    Imho it is possible we see different cars, eventually marketing cars / dealer cars.

    It is odd they show the same italian export plate 02452*EE.

    A number plate does not necessarily need to belong to a certain car especially if it is fixed in whatever manner behind the windscreen.

    It must be noted that Italian authorities do not allow such fixations of number plates, they are and were always quite nervous on such issues...to touch and remove a number plate (as it was and is done on Swiss registered cars on a daily basis) always made and makes italians and italian workshops, dealers etc. very nervous, until today.

    It seems someone used that italian export plate 02452*EE on various different cars. Italy was far away back then...

    The Bobbies, aehm wardens as we seem to name them here, could only check with their bosses to ask their Interpol contact in Scotland Yard if the number plate belongs to a stolen car or if the number plate is stolen. Practially they had no chance to verify to which car the plate belongs or belonged.

    If you forgot the car document lets say in Italy and got checked abroad, well what could they do...nothing really besides checking with Interpol if the car and / or number plate was stolen, eventually you got a small fine for not showing the car document.

    The only chance would have been to ask their bosses to ask their bosses to finally ask the London Forreign Office to ask the Italian Ministero degli Affari Esteri to ask them the Italian Ministero Interno to ask them the Italian Police and then the reply all the long way back, that was not practiced on such "non-important" issues way back then as the "diplomatic channel" described above was reserved to only being used for the few "important" issues.

    Carissimi saluti
    Ben
     
  22. BBBBBBB

    BBBBBBB Formula Junior

    Jun 6, 2015
    345
    Full Name:
    Ben
    #14147 BBBBBBB, Sep 26, 2015
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2015
    Thanks and Sorry for the wrong title, obviously 1966 style rear end shown in 1967 sales document.

    Carissimi saluti
    Ben
     
  23. BBBBBBB

    BBBBBBB Formula Junior

    Jun 6, 2015
    345
    Full Name:
    Ben
    #14148 BBBBBBB, Sep 26, 2015
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    Sorry for the bad quality of the picture, no better here.
    Here is the best possible resolution so far.
    Still amazed by her legs.

    Carissimi saluti
    Ben
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  24. BBBBBBB

    BBBBBBB Formula Junior

    Jun 6, 2015
    345
    Full Name:
    Ben
    #14149 BBBBBBB, Sep 26, 2015
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    I like it without the tips.

    The below picture is believed to be dated August 1966

    Carissimi saluti
    Ben
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  25. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

    May 23, 2006
    57,525
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joe Sackey
    #14150 joe sackey, Sep 26, 2015
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    In the original concept, the exhaust pipes were routed through the rear valance (in a manner similar to what was used for the SVJ cars later)
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     

Share This Page