2015 FORMULA 1 JAPANESE GRAND PRIX: RACE *** SPOILERS ***

Rosberg got punked ... he needs to listen to some Gangsta' Rap

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Sometimes there comes a time when you have to show your bosses the right move to make even if its the wrong move. Especially when your slated for 2 more years. He should not back up and should not sit there with that fake smile and pr bs. Grow a set and say I'm fighting for the championship now, this is my team. You don't like it, buy me out of my contract and ill go somewhere else.

 

He can't.....see Spa last year. He got slammed in public by Lewis and the team....for ONCE not jumping out of Lewis' way....how Lewis got away with saying that publicly I still don't know, but it spoke volumes.

 

Well, that's the dilemma when you find yourself playing number two in the best team.

Do you put up with it and collect the crumbs when numero uno falls off the track, or do you try to get a number one drive in a team that hasn't such a good car?

I suppose that depends of your personality,and your degree of frustation and self belief.

 

That's my point. He needs to develop the attitude of "well he should've moved". He needs to do to him what Lewis is doing or flat out tell the bosses that I'm going to race for th championship and not be second fiddle. Unless he has some line in his contract stating what he can and can't do.

Maybe its the stubborn guinea in me but if I'm in the best car I'm going at it tooth and nail for the championship. I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to make money and form a legacy

 

I think he is too pale for that...When you look at the interviews in German TV he always want to be the nice guy and do it right for everyone...Being not egoistic might be sometimes a good characteristic in normal life but certainly not in professional sports. I think this is what some mean when saying he is "no WDC material".
It is funny that someone did the comparisation to Webber as this was exactly my impression as well: he had a shot on the WDC once and like Webber he might never have again. Like Webber he will become the No.2 driver (if he is not already) and maybe in a few years he will look back and write a book in anger to justify the missed chances...

 

Is he? What about Spa last year? And since when Hamilton is known for dirty tactics? I'm no Hamilton fan..but i sincerely can't recall if he drove dirty.

My point is, Rosberg is crushed mentally. He won't recover, and therefore he will never be WDC. He's arguably in the best car on the grid, and Hamilton is making a mockery out of him.

 

I'm confused remy, Elton not known for dirty tactics? Bashing his way through is his trademark, not just a tactic. The only reason he doesn't do it much at the moment is cos the car starts at the front every week. How about his 'driving class' whilst smashing his way into everyone and everything at Hungary? He firmly believes the rules are for everyone else, and include a clause that they let the muppet through, and he uses others cars as sighting points and braking boards for himself.

Whenever he hasn't had the car he has now, he has always been involved in bonehead moves and caused carnage, poor Massa for years must've been trying to wash an imaginary target off his car Elton hit him so often. Fast but dumb in my opinion

 

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I can forgive him for his first season boneheaded moves. But after that, with the driver coaching Mclaren has, it should be inexcusable. Elton pretends he's got a DTM car whenever he needs to overtake.

As for not using dirty tactics...how many times has he forced a driver of the road? Plenty. When Rosberg did the same once his team publicly ridiculed him and he never recovered from that.

 

That's easy. He's got the team round his little finger.

Malaysia 2013. Rosberg so much faster but not allowed to overtake.

 

I seem to recall those tactics were very much in the repertoires of Schumacher and Senna. Yes, Hamilton is pretty ruthless, but so were some great drivers from the past.

 

Maybe I'm wording it wrong...how many times has Hamilton forced a driver off the road, or made an impossible overtake, it ending in tears and him blaming the other party, even though it was his own fault?

 

Hambone is RECKLESS, not ruthless. He doesn't sneak around, exploiting weakness, that's how Senna and scheming did it, with style. He bashes into people regardless of whether it's safe or not, and puts them in the position of having to lift and avoid him, or crash. Schumi and Senna were definitely the best at taking full advantage, but mostly were fair. Elton is not at any level close to them

 

If one takes off the Tifosi glasses, then 3/4 of the Massa-Hamilton collisions were Massa's fault (and 1/4 were Hamilton's fault).

Massa's usual excuse was "but I was on the racing line" to justify him hitting Hamilton, ignoring the fact that when a car is ahead of you, you have to yield the racing line.

 

That is debatable.

If you put just your nose ahead, and then "chop" in front of your opponent, leaving him nowhere to go, you in fact contribute to the crash.
Also, when you are overtaking or being overtaken, you are supposed to leave room to the other car once the move has started.

The FIA has issued guidelines to the stewards about these. Unfortunately, they are differently interpreted and not strictly enforced.

 

First of all, whose talking about just hamilton and Massa smashes?

2ndly...what William wrote.

 

Would you call, for example, Senna deliberately crashing into and taking out Prost, "doing it in style"? Or Schumacher parking it in the middle of the track in Monaco, "doing it in style"? There was nothing stylish about either of those incidents, both were reckless. If you think Hamilton has done worse than that it says something about your driver likes/dislikes and also something of your ability to be objective.

 

I have to agree...Schu and Senna were very ruthless competitors who bullied their way around the track (when needed). Hamilton aggressively takes positions, but I don't think he 'sends messages' to other drivers the way Schu and Senna did. Those guys were intimidators...Lewis is opportunistic.

 

Personally, I would put Senna, Schunacher and Hamilton in the same category; drivers who use bully tactics and get away with it. To me, it's regretable that such talented drivers taint their characters with such on-track behaviour sometimes, because they don't need it. It doesn't had to their success, and it makes them resented by people like me.

Hamilton is doing exactly what Schumacher used to: play the intimidation game.
He drives his opponents off the road if they don't yield fast enough.
He steers his car at them, leaving them no room. He has done that to Rosberg several times, but the German must have received "instructions" not to retaliate probably.

Senna? He was a bit of a lunatic some days. He thought he had a God-given right to win, at all cost.

 

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That's true to a certain level. Besides Massa, i can't really think of anyone he actually smashed into.

What i am saying is, his driving is dumb, and always impatient, but i would not categorize him 'dirty' like Senna or MS.

I still think Ros needs to grow some and stand his ground against Hamilton.

 

Now that did make me laugh.

I guess by those standards Canada '08 was Kimi's fault

 

Yes - in Montreal, nobody expects you to stop at a red light!

 

Schumacher rarely bashed his way through. The incidents you talk about involve him being tactical, not boneheaded half-assed attempts to bounce someone out the way. He didn't make contact with hardly anyone his whole career, Elton hits someone just about every race, either Romberg to take his place, or anyone that's in front if his car is having a bad day (case in point. Hungary, he actually made contact with more than five drivers, some successfully taking a place, most not)

Intimidating people and aggressive,y protecting a line is not the same as making inept contact