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  1. Gloria Giulio

    Gloria Giulio Karting

    Jun 6, 2013
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    My 328 has just been flooded in an underground garage in the south of france. There was around 35cm of water at the front and 30 cm to the rear. It appears to have been just below the exhaust pipes bou may have reached the fans at the front. The car starts and will drive. The main problem is dirty water in the interior. I'd like to take her out for a long hot drive to dry her out but my garagist is worried about grit in the fans and possible water in the gearbox. The seals between the motor and the gearboc were replaced last year. Is water ingree likely to be a problem and is there anything else to lookout for. There is a danger of the French insurance co wtiting her off, which I want to avoid. Any help appreciated.
    GG
     
  2. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Water in the transmission is a bit of a danger but is very easily checked/repaired. Also water in the wheel bearings F+R and water in the electrical equipment in the passenger footwell should be checked for.

    There is no good reason to drive it until those are checked and many reasons not to.
     
  3. Gloria Giulio

    Gloria Giulio Karting

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    I've checked the footwell but I need a technician to check the other two. Best leave her where she is then?
     
  4. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    I would have it towed out.....if overhead clearances allow??.

    From the Gulf Coast, I advise pulling ALL the carpet up....any interior panels easily removed..

    Fans.

    The idea is the circulate air, bags of charcoal will soak up oders.
    Fresh water is better than bleach, but if you see mildew starting use something, your call.
    Sparingly.

    It sounds like you dodged a bullet but the longer you let it dry, the better!

    He's totally right about oil, change it.
    Maybe bleed the brakes too?
    At least flush the sand off the calipers....
     
  5. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Use an electrical water displacement spray into the fan motors, it sounds like they are ok...

    Any electrical connection you can reach and plug/unplug would also be a candidate for spray.
    I wouldn't go crazy though.

    It sounds like it was below the dashboard, THAT is when your insurance will throw in the towel.
    Your engine top end stayed dry also it sounds, if it started!
     
  6. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

    Dr Tommy Cosgrove Three Time F1 World Champ
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    The concern is the electrical. What wires went under will be your problem. Believe me.

    I have a car that was in a shop that flooded in 2002. The water went 2 inches over the roof - 100% submerged in dirty filthy brown water.

    I still have and drive it. Instant action saved me (that and the fact that it is an 80 model VW Scirocco). Cost was no object and I got it done, so it can be done but your wires will be toast.

    I installed an entire new wiring harness. The rest I just scrubbed and changed fluids.
     
  7. Gloria Giulio

    Gloria Giulio Karting

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    I think virtually all the wiring is above the water level. Is the a breather for the gearbox, and if so how high is it? My mechanic was worried about infiltration in this way. There is apparantly a French law which says that if the water level in a flood reaches the seats it must automatically be written off. That is my main worry. GG
     
  8. 308 milano

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    #8 308 milano, Oct 7, 2015
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    Have fluid in the transmission changed ( as rifledriver stated ) takes about an hour. Open the doors, let the car dry out, there are two rubber plugs in each driver/ passenger areas that you can pull if water is still standing. pull the passenger foot well cover and check that the electronic module wasn't submerged. As I see it ,worst-case scenario Will be that you have to pull the seats and the floor mats to clean the interior if that's all the higher the water intruded. Taking it to a car wash and pressure washing the calipers/rotors is a good idea also. BUT change the transmission fluid first and foremost. In the big scheme of things you got very lucky!
     
  9. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

    Dr Tommy Cosgrove Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Extremely.
     
  10. Gloria Giulio

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    You are right about that. 20 people died, some trying to save Volkswagons is subterranean garages. I'm still a little apprehensive about the French insurance regulations. GG
     
  11. vaccarella

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    I saw the footage of Nice/Cannes. Incroyable. But why claim insurance? Just fix it. It sounds like minor damage for such a major weather event.
     
  12. mwr4440

    mwr4440 Five Time F1 World Champ
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    Yep.

    Let your conscience be your guide.

    If it is never reported, it never happened.

    Suggest you be forthcoming though, should you ever sell.
     
  13. nerofer

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    IF I’M NOT MISTAKEN (BUT of course this should be checked carefully…) the said law was promulgated to avoid lengthy debates between car owners and insurers when a meteorological event was strong enough to be classified officially as a “Catastrophe Naturelle”. Should this be officially the case, any car that has been flooded up to its seats in such circumstances is automatically written off, without any objection from the insurance company.
    However, it should (?) be possible to file a claim but to disagree with the expert, saying that you still want to keep the car; or it should also be possible to buy the car back from the insurance company.
    This of course is theoretical; but there is a centralized Insurance advisor, the “Fédération Française des Sociétés d’Assurances”, which should be able to answer any question about this; however, as a claim should be filed in the five days following the event, I’m afraid it is now a bit too late to enquiry about this. I could have done it on your behalf, without mentioning your name and the car type, so as to remain anonymous.
    Of course, the best solution when in doubt is probably not to file any claim, as the car does not seem to be badly damaged…

    Rgds
     
  14. Gloria Giulio

    Gloria Giulio Karting

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    Thanks, Nerofer. The worry we have is that if the car is written off then the Carte Grise is destroyed and it can never run again on French roads. However I am hoping for an understanding 'Expert' and the persuasive powers of my garagiste who will be dealing with the expert when he comes to view the car.

    As for not making a claim, unfortunately that is out of the question. While the car might not sound badly damaged there is an awful lot of work that needs to be carried out to return it to original condition and make is safe to drive again. That is an open-ended job with an indeterminate cost and certainly not something I can either do myself or afford to pay for without insurance. I might be able to clean some of the interior but I cannot begin to carry out the mechanical and electrical work that is needed. Everything inside the cockpit below the seat level needs removing and cleaning including all the central console, the gear shift linkage, accelerator linkage, etc. Then there are the wheel bearings, fans, transmission, suspension. The air-conditioning is coming on with the ignition at the moment -- or else making rather alarming noises. There will surely be more.

    My garagiste has renovated flooded collectors' cars like this before. He will take off everything that has been under water and clean it, take out seats and all the carpets, clean in running clean water and carefully dry. Etc, etc.

    So, it is now in the lap of the French insurance expert. We should know on Tuesday.

    GG
     
  15. 4rePhill

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    I thought the issue was that if the car had sat in water up to the seats, then the water could have got inside the chassis members risking the chassis corroding from the inside out without it ever being noticed from an external inspection.

    This could then make the car a possible death trap in the event of an accident later on in the cars life.

    That has always been My understanding of the thinking behind it.
     
  16. 308 milano

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    We are talking dirty rain water, similar to driving through deep mud puddle. One time incident and I can't possibly see how this could be an issue even in 30 years with structural integrity. ( owned a body shop for 30 years )
    Any electronics in the center console will be well above the described water level to enter the interior so that's a non issue.
     
  17. startshine1

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    Don't start the engine!!!
    Take her to a paintshop first and put the car in the oven with the doors open .Raise the temperature step by step every 15 minutes till you reach 40 degrees. Celcius .Leave the car in the oven till its completley dry.
    Spray all the connectors with anti-corrosion stuff ( we used Facom) Change the oil of the gearbox.
    It worked fine on a Jaguar ,that didn't start first, with 40 cm of water after a flood .
    After this proces the car started immeadiatley.
    I wish you the same succes!!!
     
  18. phrogs

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    Drain and flush all your fluids its CHEAP insurance.

    but Id get anything that got wet out now to clean and dry.

    Doesn't sound like it got to deep so Id say its.
     
  19. Gloria Giulio

    Gloria Giulio Karting

    Jun 6, 2013
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    Thanks for all the ideas, advice. Regarding not starting her, it is too late because I have already started and moved the car out of the garage so that I could clean out all the mud. She started first time. Engine seems fine and everything electrical that I tried worked except the heating on the passanger side and possible malfunction with the air conditioning. I think 308Milano is right about the console electronics being OK but the water level was at least half way up the console between the seats, possibly higher. The console has to come out anyway so all the contacts may as well be checked.

    The garagiste who will be working on the car has a paint shop so I will suggest the idea of putting the car in the oven to him. He will be checking all the liquids.

    The flooding came in the form of a wave of water that swept down the hills behind the appartment blocks and then down a ramp into the second level of the garages. All the cars at the first level were fine. On the second level, where the car was housed, the water level varied from garage to garage. One that was only a couple up from ours had over a metre so we were lucky with only 35cm. Most of the water, after it had passed through, went down to a third level. All those garages were almost completely underwater and stayed that way for several days until the water could be pumped out. I imagine, therefore, that the water that entered the garages on the second floor, including ours, did not stay there for more than an hour or so. The car was also covered and this may have helped filter the water if not actually keeping it out.

    I should know the insurance outcome in a couple of days.

    GG
     
  20. startshine1

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    The controller for the airco and so on is hidden on the back of the metal plate passengers side under the carpet.There are also a lot of connectors you have to clean behind that plate .
    The plate is only fixed with 4 screws .Verry easy to remove.
    Try to do this as fast as possible because oxydation will start getting worser and worser and make the problem more difficult to detect or repair.
    When putting back the plate look out for connectors comming loose from the electronic boxes because the cables are short!
    Happy i can help you to rescue the car on the best and less expensive way.
     
  21. Gloria Giulio

    Gloria Giulio Karting

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    I removed the passenger side footwell plate early on, before I tried to start the car. The water had entered it at the bottom but it did not seem reach as high as the relays, connectors etc. However the mis-behaviour may suggest that something in there did get damp, so thanks for pointing out that the controllers for the air-con etc are located there.

    GG
     
  22. startshine1

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    How is it with the car now?
    Everything working again?
     

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