Red Bull finished with Renault motors

Why would a team like Red Bull Racing that has won multiple WDC and WCC settle for 2015 Ferrari engines or Renault engines that are better suited to a riding lawn mower. The entire point of their involvement is marketing. What VP of marketing wants to stand up inform on the head of the fizzy drink empire and explain why the same millions of dollars or euros are being spent for a second tier team when in the past it bought world titles and tons of publicity and free advertising?

Don't get me wrong, I quite like RBR (Newey, Ricciardo, Horner, what's not to like), but, unless I'm wrong, for Red Bull this is business and not passion.

 

Christian Horner told the BBC at the weekend that Dietrich Mateschitz has told him it's either both teams racing in 2016 or neither team racing, apparently he's not prepared to only save one team.

How true that is in reality remains to be seen, but if it is then an STR/Ferrari deal is meaningless!

 

This sport is completely broken because the FIA refuses to open up development.

 

Maybe they will figure that out once teams start dropping out and attendance/TV ratings plummet. They may not be that smart however.

 

their first hint of trouble may be the sport's death.
Until then they'll continue nibbling around the edges and moving deck chairs.

 

Because if they want to be racing in F1 in 2016 at all, they have no choice!

Red Bull are now in an incredibly weak position and cannot dictate terms to any engine supplier now!

Adrian Newey needs to face facts, Mercedes didn't put Red Bull in this position, and neither did Ferrari, it was all down to Red Bull! (He should be quite happy at the prospect of leaving F1 anyway - If they do go he can concentrate on building his beloved boats now!).

The interesting thing is, now Sauber and Force India have instigated an EU investigation into the funding in F1, should Ferrari and Mercedes lose tens of Millions of Dollars due to the prize money being distributed differently, what's to stop them from deciding: "Okay, we no longer want to be your engine supplier!" when the contracts are up?

What are the FIA going to do? - Force Ferrari and Mercedes to supply engines to other teams that they may not want to supply any more?

The engine suppliers currently have too much power over other teams now? - Yes they do, but let's not forget that it was they who went to the effort and expense of designing and building the highly complex hybrid engines that the FIA wanted, whilst the likes of Red Bull, Sauber and Force India made no effort whatsoever when it came to power-units.

How many Millions did Mercedes, Ferrari and Renault invest in the new technologies required? - A lot more than they got back from the teams they supplied engines to, I suspect!

TBH, given how intelligent the people in F1 are supposed to be, I'm amazed that it's only now that they have realised just how much power they were handing over to the engine suppliers, and that they never saw the current situation as being a very real possibility in the future!

Maybe now people can see just why they call it: "The Piranha Club!"

 

Once teams start dropping out, three car teams from Mercedes, Ferrari, Williams and McLaren could actually generate better racing than we're getting right now for all we know, because you'd have more cars racing on an even playing field!

Think along the lines of Hamilton/Rosberg/Verstappen in the Mercedes Vs. Vettel/Kimi/Ricciardo in the Ferrari Vs. Massa/Bottas/Kvayt in the Williams Vs. Alonso/Button/Sainz in the McLaren.

In that situation, even if Mercedes were dominant once again, rather than Hamilton only having to fight off Rosberg, he'd have to fight off Verstappen too, which wouldn't necessarily be that easy!

And if Ferrari caught up with Mercedes performance-wise, then he'd have 5 drivers battling him every race!

 

This. If Renault can get competitive then it would be only better for all the fans. Newey can go back to mclaren.

 

Because that's the scenario RBR engineered...they have shot themselves in the throttle foot.

 

Red Bull.....Where the enormous egos are not in the cockpits. They're in the garage.

 

Unlike all other F1 teams...Nott

 

Even Newey as become an ASS by claiming Ferrari & MB are forcing them out
They made their bed with Renault till 2016 and they have No right to complain

Rivals are forcing Red Bull out of Formula 1, says Adrian Newey - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com

Since when have arch RIVALS required to help ???

 

Why does Newey care anymore. I thought his dream was to now design boats.

 

Exactly - He should know by now that the FIA will always disrupt the order when one single team is enjoying domination

 

This over regulation, controlling and tinkering from the top is a classic symptom of institutions and companies that are failing. It CAN be rectified, but that requires opening up the regulations and allowing the participants to innovate and breathe life into the organization.

 

I would say the RBR management egos far exceed those (admittedly large ones) in other teams, especially when they begin the whining and throwing their toys out the pram. They burned their bridge with their engine supplier (which now shows signs of coming good...boo-hoo) and now they want to force other engine builders to supply them? I guess Ferrari and MBz have decided, rightly, that they'd just as soon not supply engines to a customer that might publicly bad mouth them. Maybe RBR should get over being garagistes and build their own motors.

 

Not arguing that. Mateschitz and Horner have a talent for being primadonnas. You can tell that RB is a can company and that the people at the top have marketing backgrounds instead of motorsports. It permeates through their whole behavior.

I was never a fan of RB for these reasons and they were always a can manufacturer first. If they had bothered to build their own engine, things would be different. I greatly respected Marussia for being a car manufacturer. But a soda can company? C'mon!

However I would miss RB on the grid. They are not "just" two additional cars, they also do a lot of good surrounding the races. In Austin they had their own party grid downtown complete with F1 cars and Vettel's helmet on display. Not too many other teams do that. Whether it is marketing or really motorsports spirit on display not withstanding.

And (and I find it strange nobody has brought this one up yet):

WHAT ABOUT ZELTWEG?

Would be a real loss if one of the more traditional racing circuits would again disappear from the calendar because Herr Mateschitz chooses a new pet toy.

 

I expect the Red Bullies and Renault will come to terms. It's in the best interests of both parties.

Saward's comments imply there's a chance Kimi could be around in 2017. He knows infinitely more than I do, but I just don't see that happening unless there are three-car teams.

 

There are 21 races scheduled for next season and a lot of the paddock are saying that that is just too many, therefore, losing Zeltweg wouldn't matter too much to them TBH!

It's a nice track and all, but so is the Nurburgring, so is Imola, so is Estoril etc., etc., etc. They've gone too over the years but it hasn't stopped F1 from marching onwards.

(And to be honest, I'd rather see them race at Imola than Zeltwig anytime!)

 

The call should not be Imola vs Zeltweg but rather Zeltweg vs Baku, Singapore, Sepang and Sochi.

Thats whats really wrong here

 

Sochi has been heralded as one of the best tracks on the calendar.
It has long challenging turns, and the drivers love it.

It's a lot better than some other tracks seen during the season.

 

Yes it is.