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Is Lewis Hamilton your favourite CURRENT F1 driver?

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  1. P.Singhof

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    HE CHANGED THINGS AROUND....That is just not right! Rosberg got the first podiums in 2010 and won his first GP for Mercedes in 2012 so Mercedes showed a tendency upwards even before Hamilton joined. In 2013 Rosberg won another 2 GP and Mercedes made the next step with Hamilton to 2nd in WCC. But it is wrong that this development started with Hamilton.
    And where they are today has nothing to do with the drivers development as it is simply the PU that is superior to anyone else, but with this limited tests I doubt that the drivers could have any noticable input in that.
    The only guy in your list that really developed the car was Schumacher in the unlimited tests at Fiorano trying every single bits and pieces the engineer brought over to the track to the fullest.
    Vettel obviously was the one that suited best the car Newey designed and therefore was the optimum driver for RB in this situation. Just as Rosemeyer in the Auto Union was the first to really take advantage of the rear engine design was Vettel with the blown diffusor.
    I doubt that Vettel had that much input in the car but I am certain that Hamilton has even less in the current Mercedes. Not because he is not able but because he is not allowed (in French one would differ between "savoir" and "pouvoir").
    So Hamilton is lucky indeed that he got the most dominant car ever as he actually did nothing for that apart from being clever enough to sign the contract. He might be one of the quickest drivers out there but in the current situation it is more the car that makes the WDC than the driver as he only has to beat a single guy in the grid: his team mate.

    Edit: regarding your edit: Right at the moment you do not have to be the GOAT to beat Rosberg just as others say you did not had to be the GOAT to beat Webber but still you get the WDC by doing so.
     
  2. Aircon

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    Are you sure? or is it anti Hamilton fanboi noise? There would be far less Hamilton talk if the fanbois weren't around trying to rewrite history.
     
  3. Aircon

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    I've got to assume that someone with your knowledge of the history and insight into F1 is posting this as a wind up. It's so out of whack that it's incomprehensible otherwise.

    Incidentally, without Lewis taking points off him, Rosberg would be easily leading the WDC. So yes....in this case it's the superior car...unless you're finally admitting that Rosberg is just that good!

    talk about shooting yourself in the foot!
     
  4. IamRobG

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    So then using that logic, Rosberg is a top echelon driver? As i said in another thread, if they brought a rookie like Alex Rossi behind Rosberg as a number 2, Rosberg would be a WDC on the verge of number 2 this year.

    I don't deny his talent, to me he's the 2nd best driver on the grid right behind Alonso. And lets please not bring up their years at McLaren. But to say that he developed the car into the winner is pure BS.
     
  5. Aircon

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    Yep....as already noted, Rosberg was already getting poles (so did Schumacher) and Rosberg had won in the car.

    I don't think any rational and logical person would think that because the car was winning almost everything (with both drivers) the second that Lewis jumped into it is all thanks to him. Ridiculous!

    They were already making progress, but the real big difference was their power unit...which coincidentally came in....when?? the year lewis started! The power unit is what gave Mercedes the big leap...not Lewis. Like I said, without Lewis, Rosberg would have been winning ....maybe with Schumacher a close second if he'd stayed (or vice versa...who knows!)

    and that's taking nothing away from Lewis' talent....but man oh man...keep it real!
     
  6. IanMac

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    I'm sure a lot of the criticism of Hamilton IS a result of 'fanboi noise', but to be posting anti-Hamilton stuff purely because of what some 'fans' are doing is rather less than mature. Hamilton's not responsible for things his fans are writing.
     
  7. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Not bad for a #2 Webber like opinion, afterall it is just your opinion....The game changer was the smaller engines and turbo's, Newey knew they had thrown all their resources into clinching a 4th WDC, he was on record saying they would struggle the following year, Hamilton jumped ship just at the right time, was that luck.

    T12 is right, besides part of being a good driver, is sensing what ship to jump to, obviously Merc were on the rise, otherwise Hamilton wouldn't have gone there in the first place. And one can assume Mr Brawn no doubt helped at the time to clinch the deal.

    But you can put all down to luck if you want.
     
  8. HMS

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    He's #1
     
  9. kraftwerk

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    Hahaha stop making sense Ian..;)
     
  10. Aircon

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    I don't believe luck had anything to do with it.

    Mercedes would have told him what they had in the pipeline, and he would have compared that to what McLaren had in the pipeline and made the decision.

    It looked dumb to most of us because obviously we had no idea of that inside information.
     
  11. kraftwerk

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    Agreed, I thought it was a dumb move at the time.
     
  12. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    childish? maybe....just like the posts being responded to.

    MOST of the posts aren't anti Hamilton btw.....they're just rebutting the inexactitudes of the fanbois who are determined to rewrite history to prove that Lewis is the best ever. He might well end up the best ever...who knows...but he's still got a long way to go before he is.
     
  13. Aircon

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    I think we all did....and now it looks like genius. It was neither....I imagine Mercedes said "guess what Lewis....he have a new power unit that will give us 50hp jump on the others, and we've sorted out chassis issues....and guess what else....McLaren is going to Honda...LOL"

    hehehe
     
  14. toil

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    Quicker than Vettel, more natural speed than Alonso too and bested him in his rookie year. Far more wins than your idol jackie Stewart - how can Hamilton not be a goat but Stewart can be? This is nonsensical now. Since last year Hamilton has done a lot to prove it to his doubters and whilst doubt is slowly evaporating some don't think he's a goat.

    He will go down as a legend and one of the best of all time when he's done, I am sure of that
     
  15. Aircon

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    What's your point?
     
  16. P.Singhof

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    I do not know whether you have seen it but actually you agree more with me than with tifosi12 because he said that Hamilton is the game changer and I think he is not. Just as you I mentioned that Mercedes was already on the move when he joined and I said he was clever enough to sign that contract just as you did.
    I do not think that it is only down to luck because obviously Mercedes thought he is the right one for them and that did not come from nothing. But it is simply not true that he is the reason Mercedes is on top now...And you do not have to be GOAT to beat either Rosberg or Webber and so I think with the cars they both got neither Hamilton nor Vettel is...They might be one day, for example if Vettel actually wins a title with Ferrari (as this is still something special for most of the drivers) but they are not yet.
     
  17. kraftwerk

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    Yes we can only hazard a guess, at what really is said/done and goes on I suppose.
     
  18. LightGuy

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    I still say he was sacked.

    Look at his body language at the time and McLarens lack of doing anything reasonable to retain him.

    And then the Fickle Finger of Fate stepped in.
     
  19. IamRobG

    IamRobG F1 Rookie

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    He will go down as a great driver, but not as a legend. As stated in another thread, Senna is a legend because of what he did and who he did it against and how he did it. People who aren't blind Hamilton fans acknowledge his talent. He's extremely talented. But he's not the best.

    And I'm not doing this stupid comparison with you again.
     
  20. LightGuy

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    It depends on how you define Legend.

    He is currently racing against 4 other WDCs and a few that missed it by scants.

    His rookie year was the best ever.

    Ever.

    If not for smoke and mirrors he would have won.

    Now that's legendary.
    And honestly I'm not a Lewis fan that much any more.

    How he will go down is yet to be written.
     
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  22. tifosi12

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    He will most likely go down as a quadruple WDC, which puts him at #5 in the all times greatest list.
     
  23. Aircon

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    It would have to have been a pretty good sales pitch.....unless already realised back then that McLaren is going down the toilet.
     
  24. Aircon

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    Statistically, yes.

    We'll see. He's brimming with confidence now and very relaxed.

    What *I* believe will define him is what he's like when he's no longer winning. It must be hard to go backwards....but once you're at the top there's only one way to go....and eventually, they all do.
     
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    Why is this argument still going?
     

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