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Maserati Khamsin

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  1. richjar

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  2. staatsof

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    Hi Bob,

    Asking is not getting.

    I have been representing a 5 speed in Europe since March but the owner is always way ahead of the market and won't listen so...hopeless.

    I spoke to the dealer -selling the car in the US we are discussing- on the phone the other day (hate the 9 hour difference with the west coast from Europe) and he was bullish about how good the car is but he did say the roof has been repainted, very candid of him, which leads me to think that this is not a factory sunroof, in the 70's these things were not taken seriously in Europe, more of a back alley tin can job.

    Of course the uS has always lagged behind Europe in terms of K pricing and one with an auto box and which still has its US bumpers is not what most want. I advised him to do the bumper job if no buyer comes forth right away.

    Have to go but will post excellent photos of my ex K being restored just right in Holland, makes me happy:)

    Best regards,

    Marc
     
  4. MK1044

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    I am happy to see these cars bringing good prices. I suspect that Marc is the primary reason for that, raising the visibility of them. Unfortunately, that has priced them out of the reach of some of us.

    Of the few cars I've owned, the Khamsin was certainly the most engaging on technical merits.
     
  5. Nembo1777

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    #5930 Nembo1777, Oct 26, 2015
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    Good to hear from you Carmine:)

    Me too for now alas, sometimes I don't feel really bright turning the K into a former best kept secret see illustration;-) I just wish I could have kept mine in 2007 but there was no way then. Things are looking up a lot now but K prices are rising faster than my revenues are...for now, never say never:)

    Best regards,

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  6. staatsof

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    Wait for the pendulum to swing back ...
     
  7. au-yt

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    I agree, Marc has definately contributed to the recognition of the K through the web site and events, however just look around at the other classic Maseratis and beyond.
    Even some 90s classics and here I refer to the new generation Ferrari V12 have gone balistc in value.
    I like Marc suffer from remorse after selling mine, people still ask me why and I sometimes ask myself that question.

    Life is short and other motoring experience beaconed.

    I really hope that Marc one day rejoins the K owner fraternaty.
     
  8. AMLC

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    Thanks for checking, I don't know #1004, maybe there is an explanation (delivered new in Europe maybe?)?

    By the way, it looks like RHD cars have the same steering wheel as the US cars.

    So if you were hired to build Khamsins in the factory in 1975 they probably told you to put the old style seats in the EURO and RHD cars, and the later type in the US cars. And for the steering wheel, to take the "old" type for the EURO cars, and the "later" type for the RHD and US cars.
     
  9. AMLC

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    I agree.

    You should both have your Khamsin back.

    Don't want to start discussions about interest rates, but they will have to go up one day.
     
  10. rga

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    #5935 rga, Oct 27, 2015
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    I noticed one more odd thing, wiper position for US cars is normally both directed to the center while 1004 has them pointing away from the driver as in Euro cars.

    The pictures below show #1004
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  11. AMLC

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    Yes the wipers, and this car has a smooth nose too.

    Is this really #1004? It looks like an (early, because of the smooth nose and the seats) Euro car where someone (for some reason, maybe it was in the US at some point?) has added US indicators.
     
  12. Nembo1777

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    #5937 Nembo1777, Oct 27, 2015
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    Thanks all for the kind words, Roger that white car is not AM120US1004, no US car ever had a smooth nose by the way, it is AM120192 sold new to Japan in metallic blue with white leather.
    Japanese spec cars (31 were made) had specs that were a mix of Euro and US details. Note that these are not the same big sidelights as on US cars and no this car never actually got used in the US even though a US title was obtained for it by the trade while it was on US soil.
    This car was brought from Japan into the US by Symbolic Motorcars of La Jolla Calfona in 2006, or 2007, sold in the RM Monterey auction of August 2007 and consigned to Chicago Classic Cars in the eponymous city.

    I then asked Signori Cozza/Collina at Maserati Classiche for info see attached.

    Then the car was sold on to Germany where it was advertised by a dealer. For the longest time it had horrible and completely wrong red carpets. I don't know if it has found a home but it should be repainted in its original blue.

    Best regards,

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    #5940 rga, Oct 28, 2015
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    Hello Marc

    Another mystery solved then! Thank you.

    I have checked the source of the error:
    one should not believe all that is declared even by renowned companies like RM Auctions
    see Anamera sold cars for Khamsin: the VIN was mentioned as 1004; so sorry!
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    Looking at the Pictures on their homepage it seems to be #1298, silver with red interior, previously for sale by Mistral dreams, only difference they claim the milage has come down from 57'000 km to 47'000 km
    maybe they drove backwards from bussolengo to rome ... or they used a different conversion factor from miles to kilometers?

    and the picture of the car on the price tag seems to be 1112, silver with black interior and still with the US bumpers on it. Never mind. It is priced not to be sold.
     
  18. AMLC

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    Very strange that they used the photo of another car!

    The car from Mistral Dreams is #1258 according to this post: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/143772260-post5668.html
     
  19. au-yt

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    Helping a friend source some exterior KHAMSIN door handles.
    I have been around the usual sourses, MIE, Jaques etc. they were relitively easy to get when I restored my car but now they are rocking horse fodder..
    They are the same as early ALFA Montreals.
    I believe there is consideration being given to getting them made, howeverin the mean time I am chasing a RH side assesmbly.
     
  20. f308jack

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    Graeme,

    If it is the plastic 'cup' that has broken, this can't be that hard to 3D print.

    Best,

    Jack.
     
  21. au-yt

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    Hi Jack
    Definately a major consideration. The 3D technology is getting very good.

    Graeme
     
  22. au-yt

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    With the recent meteroric rise in Classic Maserati prices including the Khamsin I have observed a decline in the activity on the this thread.
    Have all the cars been snapped up and parked?
     
  23. f308jack

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    So right Graeme, you can hear a pin drop in here!

    Do we have any idea what is actually happening in the marketplace in terms of real sales?

    Best,

    Jack.
     
  24. Nembo1777

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    Hi Graeme and Jack,

    I can't speak for others but I have been very busy with other things, I have lots to post but there are only 24 hours in a day.

    What I can say since quite a few have asked is that the Khamsin Registry website is being redone. I left the US ten years ago yet I still had that site run out of south Florida which did not make sense, it was the one final thing I had to relocate so now it will be run out of the UK and in a much more up to date, manageable way which will allow me to add content far more frequently and give it more depth.

    Regarding Khamsin sales the high prices happen mostly during auctions or shows and the next one is Retromobile, early February, now the world's second most important classic car market venue after Monterey with over 100000 visitors and the three auctions: Bonhams, Artcurial and RM. Two excellent Khamsins should be on offer, one in an auction one exhibited in the show for sale.

    Best regards,

    Marc
     
  25. au-yt

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    Hi Marc , thanks for the update on the web site and I will look forward to what the auction and the result.

    Jack good question following auction results helps but the movement of Khamisns is difficult due to there being only 350 ( guess) cars left on the road world wide.
    The cars around from the same era as the Khamsin are now asking 3 times to 6 times what they were 3 years ago.
    Even the 456M I bought in January being a rare RHD Manual (33 off ) now the market is aking double what I paid...
     

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