RB uncertain for 2016

I agree that Red Bull deserves a comeuppance and has gloated when winning. I also agree that their boss is a loud mouth blowhard. But come on, do any of us really want 4 more cars removed from the Formula 1 grid? If you really love F1, and I suspect we all do, then a 14-16 car grid - at best - cannot be attractive.

 

The state of F1 is such that I would not miss RBR at all...so many other things are broken that a few years of thin grids would simply be the cost of righting the ship. They handled winning poorly and losing even worse. They're so smug they're not even trying to tread water...choosing to simply sink until the rescue ship arrives.

If RBR doesn't need F1...sobeit. F1 certainly doesn't need RBR. It is a relationship of convenience... not one of life or death.

 

The grid will not be improved with fewer cars. There will be less competition.

Arrogance in F1 LOL oh my god Im sooooo shocked!!! LOL So Ferrari and the rest are not arrogant. Yes I make no sense -- wooohoo!!

F1 is not doing well and losing a major team/teams improves it how???

 

I think Red Bull are already in bed with Honda and will be competitive together. And Ron Dennis will likely feel the consequences of not having let them get together earlier. Ah ah!

 

Good point.

 

BTW - seems like Toto is ok/interested in running a 3rd car. Ferrari also seems open to the idea. Not that losing a team is acceptable, but the total starting grid could actually stay the same (assuming RB and TR leave) with Haas adding 2 cars and Merc and Ferrari adding 1 each. Although the latter has not been finalized.

 

A year of small grids is fine by me if it means the sport is forced to change for the better. Goodbye RB - you won't be missed.

 

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Big difference is that during red bull domination, any could upgrade their car freely to try and compete. Now, we have Merc with a good car and utterly dominant engine, but no one is allowed to develop their engines to compete. Amd That, is the big issue and difference.

 

Crumbs, if that happens, the future's bleak man...

 

I agree. I think F1 would be poorer for RB's absence. A team that can win championships in the way they did knows a thing or two about the sport/business and hopefully that knowledge won't be lost to F1.

Never quite understood the criticism of Horner. The odd slip aside, he appears to be a sensible, approachable person. And he can't afford to be unemployed, he has an ex 'pop star' wife to support!

 

The "latest rumors of the Day" are for a rebadged latest 2015 version of the Renault engine through a company run by Mario Illien...

Rgds

 

Not unlike the mugen-Honda back in the day.

 

I'm convinced f1 is reading my posts, this is exactly as per my suggestion a few days back

 

I hope they make the grid next year, it will be a poorer place without them, but they do need to change the culture of blame that runs through their organisation

 

And stupidity for not having an engine supply in place before terminating the existing contract.

 

In the past, Renault gave them an engine that they were able to get 4 championships. The past 2 years that Renault engine is not as competitive RB started to complain about it. Good luck to them now.

 

Renault engine was never the strongest, it was weakest of the3, but engines then where much closer to each other.

Imo red bulls complaints should have been directed at the rule makers. Had the 2014/15 seasons been more open for engine development, we'd have had an actual season on hand.

 

+1

 

+1

 

I thought the advantage of the Renault engine in the Red Bull dominance years was supposed to be tight packaging so as to aid the car's aerodynamics as much as possible, even at the expense of power. So their philosophy was never about maximum power.

As we see now, the Red Bull probably still has the best aero on the grid and the Renault packaging probably helps with that. Unfortunately, the aerodynamic advantages this time around don't offset, or even meaningfully mitigate, the huge power advantages currently enjoyed by Mercedes and Ferrari because the gap is just too great with this rule iteration.

All the best,
Andrew.