hi, i own an F355 and I've been trying to talk my brother into getting a 360, possibly a CS. When I started seeing the prices of CS (especially vs 360 Modena) I couldn't believe the what CS's are selling for. Even the F1's (I know the whole gated craze is another topic) could someone briefly explain, why the CS is so valued. I know supply/demand The question is what is so special about this car, at this time, that makes it so (relatively) in demand. I mean how much better is it than a 360 Modena on the track. The delta between these cars seems to be $150K or better. I would think you could buy a 360 Modena and modify it quite a bit to keep up with a CS and still have some change left over, no?
i just did a full "modification", or conversion to be exact. bits by bits modification, that is. it will cost you A KIDNEY to do it if you don't have a donor car. ecu tcu suspension ecus engine itself all cat-back exhaust components ignition column and keys! ( cs part #198908) all carbon fibers, including engine bay panels, door panels, air box, etc dash, lower and upper, air vents, steering wheel. shift paddles, seats, all interior upholstery windshield ( yes, they are different!), glass behind the seat (they are different as well) the whole rear hatch(including the CF outside 2xpieces and 2x inside horizontal pieces and nulder & pexiglass) 2x rear shocks 4x springs, front and rear. 8x a-arms( arms itself are the same, but the bushing are different, so you replace all a-arms to simplify things) all rims&tires. rear roll-bar central console wiring. the plastic cover under the pedals all brake components including brake booster front bumper, rear bumper, front/rear challenge grills, some more heat shields for the CS side skirts, the panel above the side skirts gas door dome light assembly( yes, they have the same part number, but they are different down the production lines: part #66398400, trust me, i compared 2 modenas with 2 CS's.) front luggage compartment interior bits ( yea, they are a little different on the fuse box openings!) side mirrors repainted air intake and coolant tanks the blue line running between the air intakes plenum added shield for LR corner and RR corner for heat insulation i believe? MAF, bigger tubes, etc the list is not exhaustive but to answer your question: you don't have to replace all these to "keep up" the CS on a track. maybe just weight saving and the suspension tune.
Thank you for this reply. Obviously most of the things on this least are measures taken to improve the cars performance on the track. And while not necessarily from Ferrari, you can make performance upgrades to a 360 Modena to improve track performance as you pointed out. I am in no way trying to be argumentative. I'm just curious what is driving the market to value a CS at practically triple the price of the Modena (comparing F1 trans on both)
If you want to "blow past" a CS, just get a stock Scuderia and still have change, human organs and years of your life all still intact Prices seem to also still be going up on Scuderias though, so act soon. As of this post, the only clean red Scuderia specimen listed is asking $390k: http://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/650827262/overview/
two points to your argument 1. performance generally correlates to price but not always exhibit A - Countach costs more than Aventador exhibit B - 250GTO costs more than LaF 2. supply meets demand. Even when demand is weak, if there is lack of supply, price goes up. exhibit A - water is in more demand than gold. ie. more people need water than gold. However, there's a whole lot more water than gold.
I see some similarities between the 360 vs CS and 1973 911s vs RS. The 73 RS may not be THAT much better than 911s but is now 3-4x the price. Production number is always the name of the game for collectors.
As price goes up demand decreases. So my question is, what about these cars makes the demand at this time such that some cars are selling for the equivalent of a new 458? Is it just collectability and investor speculation at this point?
They are epic cars and people don't sell them - people talk about how awesome they are - which makes others like myself go on your tube and then you hear the noise and want one! Since this results in a situation where buyers are generated but there are no sellers the price goes up!
probably the same reason an F40 costs nearly 2million. Likely a combination of ride characteristic and (relative) rarity. I purchased mine before this crazy price appreciation. If I have to buy the car again, I'd go for the Scud, in my mind a better value. To some the CS is a better car, I can't argue with them. After all, it's their hard earned money. How they chose to spend it is their rights.
There's a great thread on the CS Market. You should read it. Oh wait, you're already posting in it. HA!
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You obviously have no seat time in a CS. It is a very special experience. The combination of great looks, light weight, more power, race derived technology, track day competency along with road usability, all tied up with limited production, gives us a car that has developed a cult following. Oh and I almost forgot......THAT sound!
Yeah. Damage was minimal. Buyer got an incredible deal and won't have to worry too much about depreciation now. He can drive the hell out of it!
