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FORMULA 1 GRANDE PRÊMIO PETROBRAS DO BRASIL 2015: RACE *** SPOILERS ***

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  1. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    +1 on that with another team up front. A real fight would be great.
     
  2. PAUL BABER

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    Surely the most boring race EVER.
     
  3. NeuroBeaker

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    My take on it is that Hamilton seems to depend more upon mechanical grip than Rosberg. Hamilton has sometimes locked an inside front wheel going into corners but it's been much more common for him to do so, even multiple times a race and to the extent that he's damaging tires now, since the minimum pressure rules came into effect.

    Unless Hamilton adapts over the summer, we may well have a genuine three-way fight for the title next year. Vettel is looking increasingly quick for Ferrari. I am hopeful that 2016 will be a more interesting season than this year, which seemed decided pretty early on.

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
  4. Bas

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    Massa has been excluded for tire temp infringement...
     
  5. scudF1

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    I'm not a big fan of Nico, but today he won fair and square. Our boys (vettel and Kimi) are closing the gap for sure.
     
  6. NeuroBeaker

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    Ooh, that's rough.

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
  7. DF1

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    Hard penalty-- but all were warned some races ago.
     
  8. PAUL BABER

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    That is crazy. Who invented these idiotic rules that penalise drivers for issues that are out of their control ? How could Massa have benefited with ONE tyre over pressure / temp ? Fine the teams if you have to but dont take it out on the drivers.
     
  9. NeuroBeaker

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    Does that mean that Williams therefore have not yet secured 3rd in the constructor's championship?

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
  10. Bas

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    +1

    And I think it was for the one tire as well, tire blanket failure I'd guess. 27 degrees over max temp, on one tire. Definitely not an advantage.

    Haven't done the math, but it'll be pretty hard for them to lose it regardless...next race has many big straights, and the overall track should play into Williams' hands.
     
  11. DF1

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    +1 on both. What race outcome changed? None. Yas will be good for Wiliams. I guess rules are rules and again, all were warned.
     
  12. Bas

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    Grosjean, Verstappen and Maldonado all move up a spot...so in theory, this penalty is quite bad for STR ;)
     
  13. toil

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    Toto quoted as saying that today's race was meant to be a team effort and it was important for rosberg to maximise points to secure second in wdc. Lewis wasn't happy with this
     
  14. toil

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    Looks like kvyat and button will both our score their team mates this year. All but guaranteed now
     
  15. william

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    Hamilton is a prima dona who cannot suffer if he is not in the spotlight.
     
  16. 05011994

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    So the 2 Mercedes drivers are the exact same strategy, the team screws up Nico's first pit stop, many real non DRS passes throughout the field (teenage rookie Verstappen did not have a problem passing) and we are supposed to believe that Mercedes ordered Nico to win and Hamilton to come second? Nico has out qualified Lewis in the last 5 races, would have won the last 4 in a row if not for a clutch failure in Russia and driver error in Texas. Sounds to me that Lewis needs to raise his game and focus.
     
  17. william

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  18. Fast_ian

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    Particularly if the 'stories' about it only being one tire that was *way* over temp are true. I can't see any advantage there - If it had been both (across the axle), then *maybe*, but seems to me something broke, (a thermistor?) and he didn't gain any advantage.

    Definitely seems a little harsh, but otoh, they were all warned it seems.

    Cheers,
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  19. Bas

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    I reckon tire blanket failed and overcooked the tire basically. there is no advantage in a high temp tire and the rest all normal.
     
  20. ypsilon

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    Toil is trolling a bit here, and you bite.......;)

    T.Wolff indeed said live on the BBC that both drivers were on the same strategy (as in Mexico) and that Hamilton was disallowed a different strategy during the race because team was key, no risks. But on top of that T.Wolff declared that a different strategy (3 stops) in this case wouldn't made sence since from their calculation it would've meant Hamilton lost 10 secs more. He literally said it would probably have meant Hamilton finishing behind Vettel.
     
  21. kraftwerk

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    Huh ..well you would know.
     
  22. kraftwerk

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    The race was won in qualifying, by Nico, the margin was 8 hundreds of tenth, the track is notorious for not being able to pass on.
    Fastest lap Hamilton.
     
  23. Kiwi Nick

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    Thank god for pit stops, grid penalties and exclusions...otherwise they simply could have passed out places after the first corner.
     
  24. Bas

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    Others seemed to pass. Even a rookie in a car with very poor top end.
     
  25. NeuroBeaker

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    Well, he did say that the 3 stop strategy was 10 seconds slower, but both drivers did 3 stops because their tires wouldn't last long enough to allow a 2 stop race. I think they were actually going to let Hamilton run a little longer on one of his stints after Rosberg pitted, but he was unable to keep the pace up and would have lost overall time if he had kept going any further.

    As for those who say this track is impossible to pass on, tell that to Vestappen in his Renault-powered Toro Rosso. ;)

    I hope you're not insinuating that William is a prima donna.

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     

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