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Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

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  1. Sunraider

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    Excuse me, but something is very wrong about that test.

    First, those times are not right, if they are it means the LaF is slower than a 458 Speciale or a 650S, which, of course, is not true.

    Second, after watching videos of a customer's LaFerrari beating a Bugatti Veyron , and a 1000bhp Nissan GT-R (the track was wet) off the line, there is no reason to doubt the performance of the car.

    Now in this test (not talking only about the drag race, but the previous test around Silverstone) we have:

    A) A former P1 test driver, of course he's going to be a lot faster in the car he's absolutely used to vs the cars he never drove before.

    B) The P1 using Trofeos, which are track oriented and already proved to be a lot better than the Corsas. I think everyone remembers the 1,4 second gain on Aglesey the P1 was able to make with the Trofeos vs Corsas.
     
  2. REALZEUS

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    There is something really fishy about this whole "test". Awaiting for the Alejandro test and of course the Clarkson-Hammond-May one which had factory backing for all three cars.
     
  3. noone1

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    What's fishy? I'm pretty sure a member here (Apollo?) is the one driving the 918. He said they did 7 runs. It is what it is.
     
  4. REALZEUS

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    #18454 REALZEUS, Nov 19, 2015
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    The fact that Apollo himself mentioned that the P1 and the 918 were optimised by following the factories' suggestion for each one of these tests, unlike Ferrari which didn't chime in. The fact that this particular LF seems slower than a 458. The fact that other customer LFs have shown to be much faster, as demonstrated above; not to mention the test of the press car at Fiorano. The fact that the times of all three cars are weirdly off, but one's more so than the others. The fact that the LF is on normal tyres, whereas the other two on semis, even though I admit that one could argue that that's Ferrari's mistake. The rather patriotic way in which the British car is presented as the winner. The fact that a factory McLaren driver was used, driving on the exact Silverstone configuration that the P1 was developed in. You can understand my scepticism I guess... That's why I am waiting for the other two tests.
     
  5. Apolo1

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    Good point, on one of the runs the Lafa and the P1 went before the count big time, I had not even engaged LC, the chap that ran the event said that they would not use this footage. looks like some one changed their mind.

    Apart from this jumped run, the 918 was the 1st to the marker point each time, but the P1 set the fastest time to the 186 marker.....
     
  6. Apolo1

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    Don't know about the P1, other than a check over, but zero optimised on the 918.....
     
  7. boyko23

    boyko23 Formula Junior

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    Real,
    You can’t compare different cars, surfaces and temp conditions. Keep in mind, that this test was held at an airfield and the surface is quite different to asphalt. Keep in mind also, that there is slight incline there.

    All the cars are a bit off, but if you compare it with the Autocar’s test (same place), everything is absolutely normal. Except the fact, that this time Apolo drove the 918 properly, unlike Autocar, giving much bigger improvement for the 918 compared to the P1...
     
  8. REALZEUS

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    #18458 REALZEUS, Nov 19, 2015
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    Well, you won't mind if we wait for the other tests then. More tests are always better. :)
     
  9. boyko23

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    I also wait for the Hyper 5 final test, because Thermal is a nice track with good corners, unlike Silverstone National... :)
     
  10. Apolo1

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    Big diff between this and the Autocar one, was that I used Hot Lap on every run, also that I kept the batts fully charged up , its not difficult to do this. Always said imv the AC one was bias at the time
     
  11. noone1

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    I don't think it matters who was driving them since it's all computer operated. Launch the car and just hold on to the steering wheel. I don't imagine a factory driver is any better than someone who has never driven a car before.
     
  12. Igor Ound

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    The guy in the LaF seemed to short shift to me
     
  13. supermafy

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    about lafe: stupid acc:
    0-60 mph 3.68
    0-124 about 9s
    0-186 22s
    ...a bit faster than an old enzo (AMuS)
    62mph 3.6s
    0-124 10.3
    0-186 26.1
     
  14. boyko23

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    So what?

    AMuS achieved 19,1 sec for the 918 (0-300 km/h). Here is 23 sec. (4 off).
    Different day, conditions, etc...

    Just live with the fact, that Ferrari promised a little bit more than they could achieve... :)
     
  15. REALZEUS

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    This seems to be the only test in which the LF failed so miserably. So no, there seems to be something wrong with the test, or this particula LF. In R&T's test the LF did 0-150 mph (0-240 kph) in 9.8s and the 1/4 mile in 9.7s. The F12 has been clocked at 10.5s for the 1/4 mile for crying out loud!!! The car clearly delivered in other tests!!! That's why we have to wait for the other 2 tests as well.
     
  16. boyko23

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  17. Igor Ound

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    I would have no problems if the Ferrari lost to the 918 fair and square. They have different strengths and love them both, but being continuosly cheated on by McLaren and the British media is getting tiring. Mind you, I expect nothing less from C. Harris.
     
  18. Caribbean458

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    I just don't get how the Ferrari can't win the straight line race.

    Much More displacement, more power, significantly less weight .

    How does that not equal a win in a straight line?!
    Something isn't right
     
  19. supermafy

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    surely Lafe cannot 186mph 15 as promised, but seem too slow. don't foorget how another costumer lafe in the same straghit fight easly against bugatti veyron and 1000bhp GTR
     
  20. Valkyre

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    Customer cars, ie not tinkered by manufacturers?
     
  21. Jo Sta7

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    From what I've read, and I say this having never driven any of the big three although I've spoken to owners personally, the laferrari is a lot heavier than advertised and the 918 has more power than advertised. Fully loaded the 918 may only be 100 pounds heavier than laferrari and they produce similar hp (at least to 150 mph) while the Porsche has 300 more lb/ft. So you see there isn't a real advantage for the laferrari. Not sure exactly why the P1 is so much fast than it tho, perhaps the track mode or the *le sigh* tires....
     
  22. boyko23

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    Factory cars...
     
  23. Valkyre

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    Wait, Ferrari agreed to provide LaF for this face-off?
     
  24. 95spiderman

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    test I would really love to see is to dyno and weigh each of the cars. my bet is Ferrari is farthest off on what reality and claims are. say 200 lbs up and 100 hp down. Porsche will be right on factory claims and don't know what to make of macca. would be very interesting and much better than crying about different tires
     
  25. REALZEUS

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    Why not? The R&T test was spot on that target with 150 mph in 9.8s.


    The LF has been weighed in at 1580 kg at the kerb (with fuel, oil, water etc).


    Any hints towards such unsubstantiated claims? Especially about the power figure.
     

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