Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

I imagine the owner will only want to do a drag race, not a lap time comparison. The Agera would get absolutely destroyed on a timed lap of a track. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the Pagani could beat it (which obviously got obliterated in the hyper5 test).

 

The video in the SCD test is very misleading, this was the 2nd run, in which both the lafa and the P1 jumped the count. I had not even engaged LC at the time they went. I was told that this "jumped" run video would not be used. Why have they not shown the videos from the other runs? this will show that 918 was away 1st every time

Also the full speed chart for each car showing that the 918 won every measurement up to the 1/2 marker has also not been used.

But at the end of the day, the data can not lie, Well done P1 1st to 186

 

I thought this also..........mind you though, both guys have yellow shorts on, I would say he had a helmet on for the hot lap.....

 

Laferrari had different seats. Did anyone know why?

 

why was the Pagani soooooo slow in the track test?

 

From the SCD Test, The actual times from the v-boxes on the day, all cars customer own cars.
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Why would they not show this in the video! It's certainly relevant data.

 

Taking into account the way in which the video was presented, I would also like to know this also.....here's another one...

 

another one, like I said the 918 won every race apart from the jumped start......
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Simple answer - UK bias, make the McLaren look as good as possible. Apolo, do you have the raw data for all the cars that be downloaded on a spreadsheet?

 

Fully agree with this, showing the jumped run is bad enough when they said that they would not show it, you will recall the Autocar vid at the same place....?

I have the following all on a spread sheet.

0-60, 0-100 kph, 0-100 mph,0-150,0-300kph,0-189mph, 30-130mph, 1/4 mile,1/8 mile, and the standing mile, along with all the speeds for each car at the above times.

I Also have it on speed graph that shows that it took to just under 150mph before the P1 started to close the gap on the 918, but even then the 918 was to far in front for the P1 to pass it, or even get close, for the LAFA it took even longer almost 170 before it could close in on the 918, again it never passed the 918.

This data that I now have that has only just become available to me, is exactly as I recall events on the day. The 918 won every run apart from the jumped start one,,,,,

like I said 3 privately owned cars, 3 drivers, same place, same time, all had individual v-boxes...the data does not lie.

 

Will you share the data?

 

Yes I will post up later.......

 

I see once again, The Fix Was In Regarding A British Test concerning the P1??

That lap time on the Corsa's in the CH test-just nudging the 918's time-to seemingly claim legitimacy for the P1 on standard tires looks fishy IMO.

Very cheeky of the British (just like their Evo and Top Gear test, shenanigans anytime the P1 was involved). Funny indeed.

I guess we should be used to it by now. Any test with factory support, will always be in England with Macca acolytes and friendlies in the press present? That's the way it appears.

And what do we make of the LaFe's varying results and numbers in testing so far?

Nonetheless, all good stuff to look at, read and listen to, regardless of the results. It's always a treat.

Great cars!

 

Hi
You will recall when I questioned the AUTOCAR vid, every other mag on the same car had a faster time, same place as this one......Lol
One of my runs back in May below
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opz9GVzbogQ

 

Is that surface as dreadful as it looks? Every car seems to post bad times there, especially rear wheel drive cars? Also, if the surface is horrible, why does it seem every drag race held in Britain takes place there? Lol

 

Yeah I remember that City/Apollo.

In their first test, the P1 did miserably. Then in that second test with the motorbike and SS IIRC, the 918 resulted in a horrible outlier time.

Obviously, you an other owners knew there had to be something going on with the battery charge or setting for the 918 to have such a horrible time. But Autocar would have none of it, after the P1 performed so poorly in that first high speed test (something like 23-24 secs to 186 mph IIRC).

They basically got rid of that earlier result, never to be heard from or referenced ever again! So though they couldn't improve on the P1 time considerably, they just decided to drag the 918's down. classic! LOL

I have nothing against the P1, and certainly don't like to pick on it. It's obviously a great vehicle. So congrats to McLaren and the P1's lucky owners. However, I just find it funny that the British press's pulling the same shenanigans now that they did 1-2 years ago. You can't make this up. LOL

 

Its not to bad, but you have to understand that its a 2% incline, this is worth about 1-5 to 2 secs at 186mph

 

The best part is that they do not need to play any of these games, for Mac to make the P1 from a start up to take on the other 2, is imv a result in it self...

But on this test that I was asked to take part in I knew something did not add up.....they seem to have forgotten that I have beaten the P1 and Lafa at the same place before.

 

Oh thanks for mentioning and (presumably later) providing the data from your SCD test Apollo.

It certainly sheds light on things (especially only showing one specific video, when promising they would not, by your account).

 

Agreed

For McLaren to make a car such as the P1 with their financial means and from the 12C base (vs the others) is impressive enough, and something they should be proud of.

It's a wonderful achievement indeed. They have nothing to be ashamed of, and should feel content.

However, they've decided to take the route of questionable shenanigans in any UK test (and no factory support or vehicles provided in any Non UK test) concerning the P1 vs those two other competitors, I guess to match RD's claims to the faithful. I dunno.

It makes them look quite insecure IMO.

Nonetheless, thanks for your participation, determination and info, regardless of the results, winner, or who you piss off. Fans of any make, should appreciate your participation, ready access, and unfiltered transparency.

 

Not a problem, like I said the video did not represent the event's on the day, imv.....
I should add that I don't blame SCD for this, from my conversations with them, they have been kept in the background.

 

I would say that this particular LF is slower than others tested. It happens; not all cars are exactly the same. Could be a myriad of reasons for that (the car itself, the fuel, improper tyre pressures etc). I have seen it happening with many different cars.

 

one of my runs back in May
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opz9GVzbogQ

 

True enough.

Thanks for the comments.