Why so many 458s on the market??

this Dino will have V6 from Maserati?

 

Yes but as much horsepower as a 458


http://www.autoblog.com/2015/09/02/ferrari-modular-platform-report/

 

All newer V8 Ferrari's have engines "from Maserati", the 430, the California, the 458 and the 488.

 

Trust me, while the F40 is wanted because it's so God damned iconic/amazing, the experience is all about those crazy IHI monster turbos. What's it like when the turbos come in? Think Star Trek when Kirk commands warp factor 10

In the UK a huge % of new Ferraris are bought on credit. My (large) dealer told me his was a staggering 85% on new cars. Cheap loans, so many 458s on finance, resulted in strong sales, but assumed decent residuals. Too many sold, residuals weaker, finance coming to the end. A double whammy for customers?

 

It's actually the other way around. Ferrari builds the engine blocks for Maserati.

 

yes, but now situation is different since Maserati goes into mass production

 

My take on so many Ferrari's on the market is that most owners
are looking for high residuals as was the case a while back. But
now things are changing and many of them have not caved in
yet because their 488's have not arrived.When the new cars
start getting delivered you will see a shift in values - just IMO

 

As many as humanly possible.

 

I'm not sure that they are so crazy to do this but otherwise it will be not bad thing for buyers if used Ferrari will be at price range of used R8 or new Range Rover

 

Why do you think Europe is free from the whole "relationship" limits?

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No, it is actually the same way like it was with the legacy engine. Also the F136, commonly known as Ferrari-Maserati engine, was an engine jointly developed by Ferrari and Maserati and produced by Ferrari.

The first rollout was in the Maserati Coupé (and Spider, than GranSport, Quattroporte, GranTurismo, GranCabrio, MC) in 2002, first rollout in a Ferrari model was in 2004 with the F430 (than Scuderia, California and all 458 models.)

Can't follow your logic.

 

I think it somehow boils down to different cultures. Supply in Europe is high as well, but people seem to look at their cars a little differently. Here a dealer not wanting to sell you a car is asked to take a hike, i.e, he'll be out of business in a heartbeat. In the US, to some, it's seen as part of the Ferrari prestige and exclusivity. The dealer network and how they operate, have been allowed to grow into what they are, mainly due to costumers accepting how things are. Also, a few things are simply against the law here. Ferrari of Europe/Maranello can't "dictate" which dealer you have to use, based on how close you live. It has also been mentioned it has to due with how the cars are viewed and used by their owners. Some here say that US buyers are more into having their cars as status symbols, rather than driving machines, hence the reason why Euro cars have a higher millage. Whether this is true, I don't know. At the end, some of the US owners I know and have met, are of the opinion that the US buyers/owners have brought it upon themselves by allowing it to exist. I can see how that makes some sense to some, but again, I don't live in the US, so not a lot of first hand knowledge. Just my thoughts.

 

I don't think the number of dealers is the main issue. I think the fact that FNA sets some guidelines as who a costumer can use, is a big part of it. If you live within a 100 miles from a dealer, he's your dealer, and that ruins the competition.

 

Because it's old and they made a lot of them. Why else?

 

Good point. With the planned production increase of roughly 3,000 vehicles per year, wonder how any will be 488's?

 

Luckily that's only for new cars. used is free for all

 

I don't think they are going upto 10k production in the next couple of years
It will probably happen when the Dino arrives.Plus they may do additional
variations of the new platform Future Ferraris could be based off single, modular platform

 

Didn't the Sweater say that they would be at 10k by 2019?

 

LE cars are a different ballgame. At the end, the clients for those are chosen by Ferrari in Maranello. But e.g, if a dealer have an allocation for say a 458SA, they would probably be willing to sell it to you if Ferrari permits. That goes with any of the LE cars. The TdF is so in demand, that the chance of an available slot is not there really, so it's a bit of a moot point. The dealers will of course talk to their clients about these upcoming cars, and Ferrari will invite those clients etc. so that's a different process altogether.

As for the Speciale, it was never an LE car. If you wanted one and an allocation was there, the car was yours, just like an Italia, F12 or Spider etc.

As for the relationships themselves. Yes, like the LE cars, dealers will of course offer allocations to good clients and keep them informed. But if you walk in off the street, you can get the next available allocation, and they usually won't move you down the list after. Some clients are of course informed early and asked if they are interested, but it's not like they will keep a bunch of allocations ahead of yours open for a long time, or bump you down if a "better client" comes in after you. If a good client is offered an early slot and he turns it down, it just goes to who ever comes first. Or if you come in wanting to put down a deposit for say a 488 Spider, they won't ask you to purchase a used car to "Start a relationship". They will put you next in line, and that's it. Are there differences between Euro dealers? Of course. Is there a dealer relationship? Yes, but in a very different way. There's no forced relationship etc. knowing your dealer just makes things easier in terms of knowing what goes on etc. but they will not sit around waiting for "good clients" to make up their mind.

 

That's when the Dino may arrive and 2019 is four years away

 

Well, to me that's three years away, and that's only a couple of years. It's right around the corner. He also said that they would ramp up production gradually, so I don't think you'll see a leap from 7k cars to 10k cars in one year.

 

It's mostly supply and demand issue in the US. I spend most of my time in Dubai and I could walk into a couple of exotic car dealers tomorrow and purchase a brand new 488, LaFerrari, and many other low production models without an insane mark-up.

 

Did you say LaFerrari as well