930 Turbo Carrera

1976 RHD here, build date 01 Feb 1976. Has the rubber tail supports. Interestingly the COA has it recorded as a 930/50 engine, which it isn't, it's a 930/52, engine number 6760518.

 

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Why?

 

Nice read, very informative I had no idea break discs were also upgraded on the last production year run.

 

FIA Nr. 3076 was for Group 3, 1/1/77...by then, Porsche had produced 1000 cars for Group 3 homologation. 3076 also added the 3.3 liter Turbo in 1/1/78.

For the 1976 season, FIA Nr. 645, Group 4 (934) required 400 identical cars which is why the 930/50 crossed two model years and the '76 930 RoW chassis numbers w/ 930/50 engines stopped just prior to the 934 chassis numbers.

Porsche needed the 934 (Group 4) in order to enter the 935 for the 1976 racing season. The only other option would have been to produce 1000 RoW Turbos for Group 3 prior to 12/75 and this may have been difficult from a sales and production schedule (Group 5 required a car be derived from Groups 1-4). In the end, 400 identical production Turbos (w/ 930/50 engines) was all that was necessary as the 934 allowed Porsche to race the 935 (Group 5) for the 1976 season.

 

I don't think so. The bolsters on the RSA seats are more pronounced that those on the 77, 86, and even my SC. I guess its a matter of what suits one, I like the 77's better than the 86.

 

That's not true, brakes were not changes until the Turbo 3.3 came. Disks are the same for all 911 and 930 from 1974 to 1977. Only the brake booster was added for MY77, but is ist an improvement? For me, not.

 

This is a very signaficant fact, that people tend not to consider when buying a 3.0 turbo.

Only ROW cars with 930/50 engines are homologation vehicles, every single of these vehciels have REAL 934 porsche racecar DNA, which makes them far more significant to porsche race car history and attractive over any other 3.0 turbo.

To clearify one thing that is often mistaken, non of the US turbo carreras, where part of the homlogation production, I know several collectors, that consider only ROW 930/50's for the purest and it's much agreed that the cars with 930/50 engines should bring a significant premium incl. the few 930/50 76 ROW,s over any other 3.0 turboes.

We believe that collectors will recognize this in the future, and start appreciating the fact, that only 400 people could originally drive a pure 3.0 turbo, with probably less then 300 being able to do that today.

The 930/50 Turbo ( 75+76 ) is far more rare and interesting than for example the 1973 2,7 RS in my opinion.

 

Very interesting, thanks to all for your contributions.

 

There are unusual circumstances that need to be understood such as how the ’75 and ’76 model year cars were considered identical even though the interior door panels, rear parcel shelf, etc., changed for the 1976 model year. In FIA Nr. 645, an interior photo shows door speakers present, so perhaps some leeway was allowed by the scrutineer, or Porsche homologated door speakers as they did for two different 3-liter Turbo tails (one with A/C and one without). Another possibility is that the FIA provided some allowance for minor interior and exterior differences in the production cars (e.g., ’76 electric flag mirrors vs. ’75 manual mirrors) but perhaps the engine and gearbox specs were more precise which is why the 930/50 was continued for the 1976 model year. Two differences in production cars that were allowed by the FIA rules (Groups 1-4) was an optional sunroof and LHD/RHD fitment.
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Here is the rules for gr4 homologation for those interested. Many items for Gr4 report to Gr2

FIA HISTORIC APPENDICES J - OF THE PERIOD

 

Very, very, very true. Once you experience the difference between a lame US Turbo Carrera and a real 930 (aka 1975 930/50) you will understand what some more horses and some less slices of zinc bring. Sorry, Yanks, but that's a fact.

 

Real 930? Damn guess mines a fake... Boo hoo.

 

Or is it that yours is a fake and the real cars a 934 and or 935...

 

I have a different view. Got three 930, '75 ROW, '77 ROW and '77 US. There is no real difference for me. As the car is below the "turbo" area anyway a very tame duck, there is no performance difference in that area.
Once the turbo kicks in, it power is just so far beyond what other parameters on the car could possibly influence, that there is hardly any difference in the performance (what I can feel).

I have to admit that the US version is without thermal reactors. In addition the cars do have just a rough performance indication. In all of mine I have measured the power on the dyne above specs....the US version is even at 300HP without any tuning (standard boost)...

 

Reason some mod the 930.The factory did all the homework and development. If you want a really fast one, the basic car is a stock 930. Just exchange the parts like Porsche did.

 

Very,very, very NOT true.

It amazes me how some (not all) 75 owners want other people to believe a 75 is something more special than a 76 or a 77. What a load of rubbish. The fact remains that they 75-77 are all uniquely special for many different reasons.

A 76 car will be more improved than a 75 and again a 77 will be more improved over both.
Does that make a 77 or a 76 better than a 75?

Different strokes for different folks- I certainly won't buy into the rubbish about how a 75 almost became a 934. Of course everyone has their own opinion.

 

All 75-77 930's are terrific and highly collectable cars- they are all "real". Some years may be more or less valuable but it doesn't change the experience of owning and driving one.

Phil

 

My point is a 77 930/52 euro delivered 260hp car has all the refinements and upgrades making it technically the most balanced, powerful and safe 3.0 lt of them all. So that should make it better than the rest correct? No not true. It's just another 3.0ltr turbo.
Trying to piggy back off homoligation rules to suggest your 3.0tr is better or more special than any other is down right nonsense or purely a motive for financial benefit.

 

When I was about 10 and I saw my first 930. I am pretty sure I didn't know what "Homoligation" was. I just knew that was the coolest thing I had ever seen, literally, and I still think that 30 years later.

 

I can hardly bring myself to use the term however for me this statement truely defines the word
Purest.

 

'75-77 RoW all had 260 HP but mine left the factory with 270 HP on the Kardex

They are all great cars and unfortunately there’s a tendency to gravitate to values vs. history of the cars.

 

Yes, they are all great cars and from an enjoyment standpoint the year doesn't matter much, if at all. The collector car "market" does not always follow which car is most technologically advanced, etc. It is very common for first year cars to be the most sought after, simply because they are and always will be the first of an era. It is often the case that production numbers for the first year are often the lowest and this is of particular importance to one that is a collector.

 

I do believe that the homologation aspect adds a little extra magic to the 3.0 turbo.
But I don't really subscribe to the argument about the first 400 being the real homologation cars.
Homologation rules for Group 4 stated that the cars had to look like production cars and required a minimum 400 units/24 months production run and distribution through normal outlets.
The marketing dept. had long recognised the commercial potential of the 930 and decided to continue production by the time car no. 400 rolled of the line.

So.....none of the 930s are actually real hardcore, stripped down homologation specials and car no. 400 has absolutely zero defining features compared to no. 401, 402 etc.
It is just that production reached the FIA minimum at 400 and continued unabated.

Personally I find the 75 turbo a bit extra special, since it actually has a few features that makes it a little lighter and a little simpler.

 

There are many that believe that the fact that the 288 GTO and now the Countach DD were homologated adds to the desirability of the car even though they never raced, so why wouldn't the homologation of the 930 also add to its desirability. As time and history evolves, it is these differentiating factors that further separate desirability from one car to the next.

 

I believe the homologation issue adds something.
But I don't believe 400 story adds much extra extra...... But that is my personal opinion of course.