Why so many 458s on the market??

Don't forget they have stockholders to answer to now so the pressure is on.

 

True but it takes time to make money ...

 

Even in Europe you can walk in and buy a LaFerrari without owning a Fcar before.

 

Pretty sure you answered your own question.

 

I think the 458 is hardly a "get by F car" , one of the best sports cars on the planet and likely one of the very best Ferraris ever built at any price..

 

It will never look dated either.

 

Egh. The 458 is a dime a dozen. Sure it was a fun car and I enjoyed mine for the 18 months I had it but really it was nothing special that I felt I had to keep it. Obviously I'm not in the minority or there wound not be hundreds of used models for sale. I suspect the vast majority of all the 488 haters have never driven one and simply are trying to make themselves feel better about driving a car with 6 year old technology. I don't doubt the speciale a owners have a "special" car on their hands but this new model will blow the roof off the 458 and will be in a class of its own until the 488 successor comes out as a hybrid gas electric in 2019/20....

 

Blow the roof off ? Lol
Apparently you don't get the NA thing with Ferrari and that's okay. Don't try to tell happy 458 owners that they are in denial with regard to the increased performance and handling of the 488. To some....having a Ferrari with soul is more important than outright performance specs. The 488 does not hold a candle to the 458 in the soul dept...it doesn't look and sound as nice either.

 

Six year old technology? Exactly why I didn't buy a 275gtb. Old technology. Who wants that?

 

I want
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMNc7LBlWyw

 

If you have disdain for old technology why is your profile showing you own a F430 ?

 

One thing that keeps popping into my head. If those 458 owners are so happy, why are they so overly negative towards the 488, and to some extent towards those that wishes to part with their 458 for a 488? Some here, keep repeating the same song over and over. "It's ugly", "It sounds terrible", "The 458 is much better", "It won't depreciate because it's NA" and what not. If they are so happy, why the need to slam the 488 again and again?
I mean, we get it, some of you don't like it, and that's fine. But why the need to bash the 488 and try to take the joy away from those who like the 488? Isn't that what you criticize those liking and praising the 488 for? It sometimes seem like to those that, as you call it, "Get the NA thing", it's almost laughable that some could like the 488 more, and that the fact that it is a car that is quite a bit faster, newer, more advanced and of a different design does not matter. Taste is different, and not you nor I can dictate what constitutes soul in a car, at anything other than on a personal subjective level.

 

Great post AB. I agree with you. The debate seems to awaken the passion that many of us have about our Fcars in general and our 458's in particular. I've had the pleasure of driving an Italia, then Speciale and now a Speciale A. I personally like the looks of the 488 and while I haven't had the pleasure of driving one I am sure it's just a blast. Fcars that are quiet even if faster isn't what I'm looking for. I want "special" an "event", not a DD....but that's just me. Looking into my crystal ball at the Fcar future, I see more regulation forced sound reduction and MPG mandates that will probably results in TT or electric/small NA hybrid engines. I chose to double down on the NA's and get an 08 Scud. The sound, the driving experience is simply sublime. Will the 488 blow it's doors off? Sure, but it won't wipe the boyish grin off of my face when I'm driving her. I'm sure the 488 will be amazing and I'm thrilled for anyone lucky enough to get one. To those looking for a more "raw" driving experience....take a Scud out, you won't be disappointed.

 

I agree with most of your post. I am not out to bash and rain on the excitement parade for current and future 488 owners. I just take exception when the opposite happens...the 458 is attacked, old tech, slower ect. My prior post will be the last expression of my personal feelings regarding the 488. I am in love with my old tech/antiquated 458. I am also happy for those waiting for their 488 cars.

 

It is a matter of fact, the 458 is older and slower. And imagine, my Scuderia is even older and even more slowly. Where is the problem?

Ferrari is facing the future and has the courage to go with its V8 mid engine-flagship new paths, they provide a completely new engine concept and not just a further "V8 NA 3.0 release". They provide an engine concept that sets new standards immediately in so many disciplines, we get the opportunity to enjoy an entire new driving experience with complete new performance characteristics, we get the opportunity to enjoy a new car that is agreeable different from its predecessor. There is no reason to bash the 488, on the contrary, Ferrari allows us a further crazy experience.

Thank you for your great post AB!

 

I will say this...if it wasn't for Politicians and their increasingly oppressive legislative emission requirements the 488 would not be a turbo. I think it's pretty safe to make that assumption. So the car is not what Ferrari ultimately wanted to design, rather its the best they can do based on green politic requirements. It is Ferrari's first political driven design car for lack of a better expression.

 

And now? I see +100hp, plus a huge amount of torque over a wide rpm range, resulting in clearly better performance figures. One time more, where is the problem?

 

do you need it ? Do you track the car regularly ? 0-60 the 488 is a tenth faster. It's the 100 mph and over where the 488 starts to kick the 458's ass. Do you regularly drive over 100 mph on public roads ? I don't. Specs are just that....they may make you feel better.

 

Do I NEED the 510hp in my Scud? No. But I want it!!
We are talking about super sports car, that power and performance suddenly no longer is important is a joke.

 

This is an interesting point. I certainly like a NA v8 but in terms of providing horsepower from a power plant that is as lightweight as possible turbos really do the trick.



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Not at the expense of NA sound, superior NA throttle response and a redline of 9K versus 7.5K. YMMV.

 

As a first time Ferrari owner, I chose a 488 over a 458. That said, I'd prefer a Speciale over either but with the premiums they're currently commanding, I can get a 488 AND and a new GT3 RS for not much more. And that's exactly what I did....

I plan to pick up a 458 Speciale too if/when prices soften a bit.

 

RS is $300-350k if you don't have an msrp allocation and that is with a few miles....so you are looking at $600-650K for both cars. A special can be had for a bit over $400k.